From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Aug 21 09:13:27 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x1SMf-0001Lh-00; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:13:09 +0100 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x1SMc-0001Lc-00; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:13:07 +0100 Received: from [194.242.131.162] (dialup2-07.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.135]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06885 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:11:27 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:13:18 +0100 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: CONET ADDRESS CHANGE - CONFIRMATION Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Receipt of this message confirms that conet is now at conet@ukco.org.uk and you should send any messages for subscribers to that address, not conet@access-it.org.uk. As previous message, commands in futures to majordomo@ukco.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Director, UK Communities Online 13 Pelham Square, Brighton BN1 4ET, UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 677377. Fax: + 44 (0) 1273 677379 david@communities.org.uk http://www.communities.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Aug 27 18:56:31 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x3mK5-0002Vu-00; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:56:05 +0100 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x3mK2-0002Vp-00; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:56:02 +0100 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08269 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:53:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:53:26 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970827185350.269f5d74@foobar.co.uk> X-Sender: telework@foobar.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Trevor Locke Subject: Sustainable community initiatives Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk At the risk of infringing copyright I am forwarding the following posting from the CVS list. The author is Director of Bradford Council of Voluntary Service. His discussion of voluntary sector funding will be of interest to those considering the sustainability of community networks a la non-profit, public sector enterprises and illustrates some of the dilemmas and challenges confronting voluntary sedtor funding. He writes: " We charge for training. We charge on a sliding scale for routine training courses at =A3100 local, =A3150 county, =A3200 beyond. All these are plus expenses - travel, accommodation etc. "Specials" can be done to include preparation time. In practice, specials get charged to people like local City Challenges who have lots of money rather than vol. orgs. or even local authority. Specials might cost up to =A3500. We also charge for a range of other things - photocopying, newsletter ads., room bookings, mailing lists, databases. Our biggest charging area is our payroll service, which is set up as a trading company. If you require guidance on our charging policies in any of these areas, mail me direct and I'll see what I can do. The situation with our funders regarding charging is complex. We are expected to maximise our income - indeed the council expects their grants to be used to lever in money from elsewhere. Where it gets tricky is charging for services that they feel they are giving you a grant to provide free. We have largely got round this by saying that, because free services were part of the original grant deal before cuts, we now have to charge to maintain services and, in effect, their grant is now to be used as a subsidy. Similar logic is used by Council departments e.g. Social Services, to justify charging clients for what were originally free services, so they would be hypocritical if they didn't accept the argument from us. This is not to say there aren't tensions. Council directorates don't always appreciate being charged for services because they feel free use of the service is included in the grant. Oddly, we get more of this from directorates who don't give us money! This brings accusations of vol.orgs. being money grubbing. Vol.orgs. mutter about the council wanting something for nothing, or wanting cake and eating same. There have been more criticisms of vol. orgs. charging for mainstream, rather than peripheral, services. For example, an organisation wanted to start charging for training sessions in management but the council complained that this was the core work for which the grant was given. Similarly, the council complained about groups accessing a training bursary fund to pay said group for training - they said this was double funding. Overall, much depends on sitting down with your grant unit/funders and working out some rules. You will obviously have your priorities for people who should get free or subsidised services, they will have theirs. We have found that, provided you can reach a broad agreement, you can get a workable system. Hope this is of help Anthony Clipsom Director " Anthony Clipsom Trevor Locke, Event and Project Services telework@foobar.co.uk http://members.aol.com/eventserv/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Aug 27 19:03:07 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x3mQs-0002WQ-00; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:03:06 +0100 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x3mQo-0002WL-00; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:03:03 +0100 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08280; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:53:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:53:52 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970827185450.13e7c862@foobar.co.uk> X-Sender: telework@foobar.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Trevor Locke Subject: Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk The usual apologies for cross-posting. UK Communities On-Line - First meeting of the Midlands Regional Group In order to help people to work together at a more local level, a number of regional groups are planned for the UK. One of the first of these will be the group for the Midlands Region. A meeting will be held in Leicester on the afternoon of Friday 12th September so that people involved or interested in community networks can get together to talk about how they can support each other, exchange information and cross-fertilise ideas within the Midlands (broadly defined - no absolute boundaries - include yourself in or out as you wish). The meeting will start at 2 p.m. and finish at about 4.30 p.m. and will be held at a venue in Leicester City Centre (there is no fee for the meeting but you will need to notify your attendance so you can be sent a map and directions). The venue will be near to the railway station and m/s car parking. We see the afternoon as offering an opportunity for Midlands Community Networkers to get to know each other, find out what is going on, what is doing what, talk about funding, maybe we can invite someone from the Government to talk to us, or the National Lottery, or the Local Authorities Association for the region - if you have particular interests or ideas about the content of the meeting and what you would like to get out of it, please send in your ideas. Please email your details and ideas to Trevor Locke on telephone 01455 274596 He will then make sure you know where the meeting is being held and will work with the Chair of UKCO to make the afternoon informative and productive. On the morning of the same day, there is a half day seminar called Civic Networks Today, taking place in Leicester. It is hoped that some of those attending the seminar will go on to the UKCO Regional Meeting in the afternoon. Information about the UKCO Regional Meeting is available from the UKCO web site and details of the Civic Networks seminar is on http://members.aol.com/eventserv/civicnet.htm Trevor Locke, Event and Project Services telework@foobar.co.uk http://members.aol.com/eventserv/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Sep 09 01:43:07 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8ENy-00050v-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:42:30 +0100 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8ENw-00050q-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:42:29 +0100 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA05315 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:40:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:40:30 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970909014039.1a0f264c@foobar.co.uk> X-Sender: telework@foobar.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Trevor Locke Subject: Midlands Regional Meeting Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Friday 12th September First meeting of the Midlands Regional Group for UK Communities Online In order to help people involved in community networks to work together at a local level, a number of regional groups are planned for the UK. One of the first of these will be the group for the Midlands Region. A meeting will be held in Leicester on the afternoon of Friday 12th September so that people involved or interested in community networks can get together to talk about how they can support each other, exchange information and cross-fertilise ideas within the Midlands region (broadly defined - no absolute boundaries - include yourself in or out as you wish). The meeting will start at 2 p.m. and finish at about 4.30 p.m. and will be held at the offices of Leicester ITEC, ITEC House, 26 - 28 Chancery Lane, Leicester LE1 5WD, tel: 0116 254 7008. For a map of Leicester city centre, see the world wide web page: http://www.le.ac.uk/maps/citycentre.html This is very close to the venue for the Civic Networks Today seminar. On the morning of the same day, there is a half day seminar called Civic Networks Today, taking place in Leicester. It is hoped that some of those attending the seminar will go on to the UKCO Regional Meeting in the afternoon. For details of the morning seminar see http://members.aol.com/eventserv/civicnet.htm or the Communities Online web site. There is no charge for attendance at the midlands regional event but please advise your attendance so we know how many to expect. Enquiries about or registrations for either event can be made to Trevor Locke, e-mail telework@foobar.co.uk or telephone 01455 274596 [conet] Trevor Locke, Event and Project Services telework@foobar.co.uk http://members.aol.com/eventserv/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Sep 09 18:54:59 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8UUt-0005Gq-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:54:43 +0100 Received: from dent.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.16.161] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8UUr-0005Gl-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:54:42 +0100 Received: from rambo.futures.bt.co.uk by dent.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:40:40 +0100 Received: from mussel.futures.bt.co.uk by rambo with SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:43:36 +0100 Received: by mussel.futures.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BCBD46.79CC16F0@mussel.futures.bt.co.uk>; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:33:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: Colin Millar To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Subject: RE: Midlands Regional Meeting Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:38:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Trevor, Apologies but although Id like to come, I am in Paris on another Project. I would be interested in the results of the meeting such that I could anticipate later participation. Many thanks, and good luck with the work..... Colin Millar BTL >---------- >From: Trevor Locke[SMTP:telework@foobar.co.uk] >Sent: 09 September 1997 01:40 >To: conet@ukco.org.uk >Subject: Midlands Regional Meeting > >Friday 12th September > >First meeting of the Midlands Regional Group for UK Communities Online > >In order to help people involved in community networks to work together >at a >local level, a number of regional groups are planned for the UK. One >of the >first of these will be the group for the Midlands Region. A meeting >will be >held in Leicester on the afternoon of Friday 12th September so that >people >involved or interested in community networks can get together to talk >about >how they can support each other, exchange information and >cross-fertilise >ideas within the Midlands region (broadly defined - no absolute >boundaries - >include yourself in or out as you wish). > >The meeting will start at 2 p.m. and finish at about 4.30 p.m. and will >be >held at the offices of Leicester ITEC, ITEC House, 26 - 28 Chancery >Lane, >Leicester LE1 5WD, tel: 0116 254 7008. > >For a map of Leicester city centre, see the world wide web page: > >http://www.le.ac.uk/maps/citycentre.html > >This is very close to the venue for the Civic Networks Today seminar. > >On the morning of the same day, there is a half day seminar called >Civic >Networks Today, taking place in Leicester. It is hoped that some of >those >attending the seminar will go on to the UKCO Regional Meeting in the >afternoon. For details of the morning seminar see >http://members.aol.com/eventserv/civicnet.htm or the Communities Online >web >site. > >There is no charge for attendance at the midlands regional event but >please >advise your attendance so we know how many to expect. > >Enquiries about or registrations for either event can be made to Trevor >Locke, e-mail telework@foobar.co.uk or telephone 01455 274596 > > >[conet] >Trevor Locke, Event and Project Services >telework@foobar.co.uk >http://members.aol.com/eventserv/ > > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Sep 10 01:20:16 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8aVp-0005Mf-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:20:05 +0100 Received: from emout24.mail.aol.com [198.81.11.129] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8aVn-0005MX-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:20:03 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout24.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA01384 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: CMPrescot@aol.com Message-ID: <970909151407_1761622816@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Midlands Regional Meeting Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Apologies from me as a representative from STEP (Stocksbridge), unfortunately tied up that day. But please keep informed of potential developments as we are keen to get involved. Very busy diary this month! chris prescott From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Sep 10 10:36:34 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8jC5-0005Vz-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:36:17 +0100 Received: from ncet.org.uk [193.63.50.243] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8jC3-0005Vu-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:36:16 +0100 Received: from ncetml1.ncet.org.uk by ncet.org.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00278; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:39:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: 10 Sep 1997 10:12:58 U From: "Eta De Cicco" Subject: RE: Midlands Regional Meeting To: conet@ukco.org.uk X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Trevor, <<>First meeting of the Midlands Regional Group for UK Communities Online > >In order to help people involved in community networks to work together >at a >local level, a number of regional groups are planned for the UK. One >of the >first of these will be the group for the Midlands Region. A meeting >will be >held in Leicester on the afternoon of Friday 12th September so that>> I have another appointment that day and can't make it. Apologies. Eta _______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Sep 12 10:13:50 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x9Rml-0006BD-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:13:07 +0100 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x9Rmg-0006B8-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:13:03 +0100 Received: from [194.242.131.166] (dialup0-35.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.35]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01534; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:09:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:09:27 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, telework@mailbase.ac.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Community networking at Labour conference Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hello all I hope members of the list will be interested in this announcement of an important event which should help put community networking on the policy agenda. Please join us on the day if you can make it. If you know an MP, councillor or activist who might be interested, please pass on this invitation. Alternatively, if you like them to receive a printed invitation, mail their name and address to info@communities.org.uk. And of course feel free to forward this message to anyone else who might be interested. Apologies for any resulting cross postings. Regards David ***************************************************************** COMMUNITY NETWORKING AT THE LABOUR CONFERENCE FRINGE Sunday September 28 1pm - 3.30pm Stakis Brighton Hotel. Free. ***************************************************************** The theme: Inventing the Future. Can new technologies help renew democracy? Can they regenerate communities? Sponsored jointly by UK Communities Online and UK Citizens Online Democracy. Presentations at 2pm from UKCO and UKCOD with BT Futurologist Ian Pearson. Also from Trimdon Digital Village, the community networking project in Tony Blair's constituency. See the Web site http://www.daelnet.co.uk/trimdon and video recently launched by the PM. Hear how the village ran its Web-building day. Mobile cybercafe provided by local community-friendly ISP Pavilion Internet http://www.pavilion.net , with news of community networking on the south coast from Sussex Community Internet Project http://www.scip.org.uk and other local groups. ***************************************************************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Director, UK Communities Online 13 Pelham Square, Brighton BN1 4ET, UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 677377. Fax: + 44 (0) 1273 677379 david@communities.org.uk http://www.communities.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Sep 18 16:47:19 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xBimm-00014q-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:46:32 +0100 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xBimh-00014l-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:46:30 +0100 Received: from [194.242.131.57] (dialup0-34.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.34]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19536; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:43:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:43:07 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk From: joff (by way of David Wilcox) Subject: Advanced Internet Training Via The Web Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk >From the telework list --------------- We have had a great response to our earlier posting on this subject. We are however aware that a lot of people are only now returning from holiday and may have missed this information the first time. We hope this is of interest to you. J Picher Direcor Of the Internet Application Centre Manchester Metropolitan University Advanced Internet Training Via The Web A course delivered via the World Wide Web designed to effortlessly take participants through all aspects of the Internet. You can learn at your own pace, in any location. This course is currently available free for those resident in England Who will benefit ? Anyone who has a need or desire to use the many and varied Internet tools available today. Whether for work, school or entertainment. If expert or novice the GO course will enhance your use of the Internet. What will be covered ? All areas of the Internet that are commonly used in business and education. Downloading free software Electronic mail The World Wide Web Mailing Lists and Bulletin Boards Virtual environments How will I study ? The GO course can be accessed from anywhere in the world using your Macintosh or PC. You can study at a time and a place that best suits you. Clear instructions on screen will take you step by step through short exercises that, when combined, result in a wealth of Internet knowledge. How do I test how I'm doing ? At the end of each section there are a number of questions to help assess your progress. On successful completion you will be eligible for a nationally-recognised certificate at level 3, (NVQ equivalent) How will I be supported ?Many students use the course mailing list to share information and support each other in their studies. Tutor input is also available by telephone and Electronic Mail. The course has been piloted on a thousand people from all walks of life. The knowledge we have gained from this experience has been used to make your learning experience pleasurable and trouble free. Our automated systems will enable you to track your progress at any time during your study. Will my 'phone bill rocket ?On-line time can be minimised by downloading the course to your own computer. The whole course fits on a single floppy disk for easy portability. Who are the GO team ? The GO course is delivered in partnership by: IDEA (Innovation in Digital and Electronic Arts Ltd) IAC (Internet Application Centre Manchester Metropolitan University) Accredited through City College Manchester How do I get started ? Visit our introduction web page at http://www.idea.org.uk/GO/introduction. You can register for the course at the Web site below. http://www.idea.org.uk/CCM-GO Or visit the demonstarion site at http://www.idea.org.uk/GO/demo What people Say "Really excellent.." Anthony H Wilson (presenter Granada TV, The Program) "Gripping content matter. Excellent training course. I really enjoyed it." Filipa Lobo (Fashion designer) "Thanks for the training. great new horizons." Bill Smith (Small Business) "GO is an excellent package for a business like mine. Thanks on behalf of myself and colleagues! Good luck in the future." James Hegarty (Small Business) "great course. Didn't lose sight of the fact that you've got to cater for middle-aged non-techies like me" School Teacher (N Dalton) "A very good and logical route through the course modules" J Crawley ( London Underground employee) (w) tel: UK 0161 247 6178 (m) tel: 0976 233 587 Internet Application Centre : http://www.iacmmu.com From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Sep 22 23:37:07 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xDH52-0000Hf-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:35:48 +0100 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xDH4x-0000HX-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:35:43 +0100 Received: from [194.242.131.94] (dialup1-30.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.94]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA28249 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:32:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:32:51 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: The Communities Online Campaign - full plans Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hello all on conet - and particularly those who attended the Dunchurch event in August. Apologies for delays in following up that excellent event (thanks again GPT for hosting)... I'm still waiting on a couple of group leaders reports to prepare a note on the day....:-) Meanwhile Michael Mulquin, I and others on the steering group have been building on the ideas we generated. Ann Holmes has been working on the events programme. The results of this work can be seen at http://www.communities.org.uk/ukco/welcome1.html, where there is an outline of the campaign discussed at Dunchurch. We be talking about the campaign on Tuesday evening on VirginNet - see http://www.vigin.net/democracy - you can join in here via chat. Also at an event at Labour conference fringe - mail me if you missed details. A report of the steering group meeting which agreed the direction of the campaign is at http://www.communities.org.uk/ukco/rep1.html HEADLINES DTI is funding work over the next seven months to launch a three year campaign to promote community networking in the UK. Key components: - Emphasis on supporting bottom-up initiatives and promoting partnerships - A map and database of projects and areas showing the growth of community networking over the three years - A charter setting out what 'digital citizens' might expect in their area - A campaign library and DIY digital shop on the Web - a reworking of Communities Online Forum - A demonstration of 'Anywhere Online' - Campaign conference areas - this list and others - Campaign events - workshops, seminars, conferences. Formal launch March 1998. - Campaign admin and finances being handled under the auspices of Aston Charities, which employs steering group chair Michael Mulquin - no new organisation being set up THE SIX PROJECTS IDEA At Dunchurch, we discussed idea of choosing six project areas where the campaign could work to develop models. This produced some enthusiasm - but also unease about divisiveness. The steering group decided against. Instead we are going for a campaign of broad support with the map as a way of highlighting progress. Colour your area first :-) TOPIC TASK GROUPS One of the other things we discussed at Dunchurch was formation of task groups on topics including social inclusion, public access etc. Thanks to those group leaders who have set up discussion lists. If you haven't started discussions, don't worry. I should have a better 'editorial' framework shortly, plus suggestions on managing the groups. RESPONSIBILITIES I'm acting as director of the campaign, with emphasis on developing the campaign components above. Michael Mulquin, though nominally chair of the steering group, is doing more day to day work than is normal for that position (thanks Michael and Aston) and will be working on development of the network and also events, with Ann. We hope to develop a decentralised structure with roles for anyone prepared to contribute in return for contacts, recognition and a chance to develop ideas with other practitioners. While we don't have funding for local projects, we do hope to find ways for projects to use the campaign to gain additional resources. YOUR PARTICIPATION The DTI funding requires we rapidly prepare a business plan for the Campaign, and approach potential longer term funders - so we have to move fast to generate proposals. At the same time we are particularly concerned to design the campaign to meet local project needs. We hope to balance those requirements by a mix of online and face to face discussion. So... 1 Any immediate responses on the general ideas and shape of the campaign to this list please. 2 Please note we will be running a two-day event in York on December 16/17 to eview campaign components in detail. 3 Between now and December we can use this list and other one-to-one contact. We'll set up the topic groups discussed above, and also consider any other ideas for participation. Regards David -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Director, UK Communities Online 13 Pelham Square, Brighton BN1 4ET, UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1273 677377. Fax: + 44 (0) 1273 677379 david@communities.org.uk http://www.communities.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Sep 23 17:08:09 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xDXVD-0000ba-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:07:55 +0100 Received: from dent.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.16.161] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xDXVB-0000bS-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:07:54 +0100 Received: from rambo.futures.bt.co.uk by dent.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:30:26 +0100 Received: from mussel.futures.bt.co.uk by rambo with SMTP (PP); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:33:50 +0100 Received: by mussel.futures.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BCC834.99ED1F80@mussel.futures.bt.co.uk>; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:23:10 +0100 Message-ID: From: Colin Millar To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Subject: RE: The Communities Online Campaign - full plans Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:28:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk DAvid, As I mentioned on the phone, please consider the Labs as an ongoing partner in the Campaign. We will be working up our contribution in partnership, and wish it every success. By the way, I get a 404 on the rep1.htm page. Regards Colin >---------- >From: David Wilcox[SMTP:david@communities.org.uk] >Sent: 22 September 1997 23:32 >To: conet@ukco.org.uk >Subject: The Communities Online Campaign - full plans > >Hello all on conet - and particularly those who attended the Dunchurch >event in August. Apologies for delays in following up that excellent >event >(thanks again GPT for hosting)... I'm still waiting on a couple of >group >leaders reports to prepare a note on the day....:-) > >Meanwhile Michael Mulquin, I and others on the steering group have been >building on the ideas we generated. Ann Holmes has been working on the >events programme. > >The results of this work can be seen at >http://www.communities.org.uk/ukco/welcome1.html, where there is an >outline >of the campaign discussed at Dunchurch. We be talking about the >campaign on >Tuesday evening on VirginNet - see http://www.vigin.net/democracy - you >can >join in here via chat. Also at an event at Labour conference fringe - >mail >me if you missed details. > >A report of the steering group meeting which agreed the direction of >the >campaign is at http://www.communities.org.uk/ukco/rep1.html > >HEADLINES > >DTI is funding work over the next seven months to launch a three year >campaign to promote community networking in the UK. Key components: >- Emphasis on supporting bottom-up initiatives and promoting >partnerships >- A map and database of projects and areas showing the growth of >community >networking over the three years >- A charter setting out what 'digital citizens' might expect in their >area >- A campaign library and DIY digital shop on the Web - a reworking of >Communities Online Forum >- A demonstration of 'Anywhere Online' >- Campaign conference areas - this list and others >- Campaign events - workshops, seminars, conferences. Formal launch >March >1998. >- Campaign admin and finances being handled under the auspices of >Aston >Charities, which employs steering group chair Michael Mulquin - no new >organisation being set up > >THE SIX PROJECTS IDEA > >At Dunchurch, we discussed idea of choosing six project areas where the >campaign could work to develop models. This produced some enthusiasm - >but >also unease about divisiveness. The steering group decided against. >Instead >we are going for a campaign of broad support with the map as a way of >highlighting progress. Colour your area first :-) > >TOPIC TASK GROUPS > >One of the other things we discussed at Dunchurch was formation of task >groups on topics including social inclusion, public access etc. Thanks >to >those group leaders who have set up discussion lists. > >If you haven't started discussions, don't worry. I should have a better >'editorial' framework shortly, plus suggestions on managing the groups. > >RESPONSIBILITIES > >I'm acting as director of the campaign, with emphasis on developing the >campaign components above. Michael Mulquin, though nominally chair of >the >steering group, is doing more day to day work than is normal for that >position (thanks Michael and Aston) and will be working on development >of >the network and also events, with Ann. > >We hope to develop a decentralised structure with roles for anyone >prepared >to contribute in return for contacts, recognition and a chance to >develop >ideas with other practitioners. While we don't have funding for local >projects, we do hope to find ways for projects to use the campaign to >gain >additional resources. > >YOUR PARTICIPATION > >The DTI funding requires we rapidly prepare a business plan for the >Campaign, and approach potential longer term funders - so we have to >move >fast to generate proposals. At the same time we are particularly >concerned >to design the campaign to meet local project needs. We hope to balance >those requirements by a mix of online and face to face discussion. >So... > >1 Any immediate responses on the general ideas and shape of the >campaign >to this list please. > >2 Please note we will be running a two-day event in York on December >16/17 >to eview campaign components in detail. > >3 Between now and December we can use this list and other one-to-one >contact. We'll set up the topic groups discussed above, and also >consider >any other ideas for participation. > >Regards >David > >-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >David Wilcox, Director, UK Communities Online >13 Pelham Square, Brighton BN1 4ET, UK. > Tel: +44 (0) 1273 677377. Fax: + 44 (0) 1273 677379 >david@communities.org.uk http://www.communities.org.uk >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Sep 24 09:41:58 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xDn0n-0000vF-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:41:33 +0100 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xDn0l-0000vA-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:41:31 +0100 Received: from [195.224.17.68] (argon.poptel.org.uk [195.224.17.68]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with ESMTP id JAA13511 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:39:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:39:31 +0100 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: RE: Online foundation Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Good day all, As an aside - well done to all involved in the E-democracy discussion last night. It is a shame that the open discussion was at the very end; some of the points raised, especially about freedom of speech, will need to be debated again & again. **************** Re: an Online Foundation Computer Access, on whose server as you know this list (and many others) resides, is putting together an Online Foundation for the UK. We have some major companies supporting this and a wide range of the online community - including many of you reading this posting. Steven Clift has kindly given it his backing too as has the EU. I wish to try to ensure that as many people as possible feel enabled to participate in whatever way is appropriate. The essence is that there will be a well funded charitable vehicle that will ensure that the UK "community" can gain full advantage of the online revolution such as it be... It will be, of course, independent and as all encompassing as possible. If your organisation feels that it would like to be involved, please mail me personally (david@access-it.org.uk) and I will involve you in the process of development. There will be a closed list and a subsribed list created as soon as it is relevent. Best wishes David *************** David Fitzpatrick, M D Computer Access 90 De Beauvoir Road London N1 4EN Tel: 0171 241 2162 Fax: 0171 241 5007 David@access-it.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Sep 29 22:43:01 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xFnan-0003RH-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:43:01 +0100 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.136] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xFnak-0003RC-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:42:59 +0100 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0922785; 29 Sep 97 21:52 BST Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:51:05 +0100 To: newnet@tagish.co.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, iacn@sheffield.ac.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: EU: Information Society Strategy MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Posted for information from the EU Aries Bulletin Board... 11Sep97 EU: INFORMATION SOCIETY - COMMISSION STRATEGY FOR REFLECTING SOCIAL DIMENSION. The information society is likely to have positive implications for employment and these have to be maximised and distributed as effectively as possible throughout the EU. Account also has to be taken of the social repercussions, for training and labour flexibility, for example. In a bid to include this social dimension in the information society, the European Commission approved on July 23 a Communication presented by Social Affairs Commissioner Padraig Flynn outlining a new strategy in this area. This Communication is the sequel to the July 1996 Green Paper (Green Paper on living and working in the information society, people first). In the light of comments made and the recommendations made by a high- level group of experts, an action plan has been prepared with a view to improving the social dimension of the information society at national, regional, Community and international levels. Information and communication technologies (ICTs) are already making an impact in the diurnal round, but the speed at which they are introduced varies according to region, sector and social category. In view of the legitimate public concerns about the implications for employment or access to ICTs, the Communication urges the public authorities to provide support to the revolution so as to ensure a fair distribution of the potential prosperity. Access to ICTs at work and in training. One of the key aims is to make ICTs accessible to all members of the public. This implies targeting information campaigns on certain groups of people who are less inclined to take an interest in these technologies without some encouragement. The Communication presses the Member States to include this aim in their policy-making. Between now and January 1998, the Commission will be publishing a survey of the universal service provision in the telecommunications sector: the document will take stock of how the universal service is offered in the Member States (scope, quality and affordability). The EU's executive arm is also considering ways of promoting exchanges of experience on activities designed to facilitate access to ICTs. A substantial chunk of the budget for the EU's 5th Framework Programme of R & D is earmarked for research initiatives for making the information society more user- friendly. Flexibility and security at work. The Green Paper ushered in the concept of striking a fresh balance between flexibility for companies and security for workers. The changing relationship between new forms of working hours and the legal framework for employment is raising a number of problems that have to be considered in the context of the EU's social dialogue forum. These problems are considered as part of a debate related to another Green Paper (entitled partnership for a new organisation of work), published in 1996. Proposals for initiatives, developed on the basis of the contributions made, are to be presented during the first quarter of 1998, according to the Communication. The Green Paper also elicited a large number of comments about protecting personal data on employees. The Commission will be unveiling a Communication on this theme in the first quarter of 1998. The Communication also examines the problems surrounding tele-working. In spite of its obvious advantages (scope for working at home, flexibility, less job-related expenditure, less road traffic problems), tele-working is not catching on as quickly as anticipated in some Member States. The Commission estimated that there were 1.25m tele-workers in Europe in 1994, that is, 1.2% of the total European workforce. However, a common legal definition of tele-working has yet to be worked out. Some kinds of tele-work are covered by general laws, others by specific rules applying to work at home. The High-level Group of Experts in charge of this matter and the Information Society Forum recommend that the Member States set the record straight on the legal and fiscal status of tele- workers and that an adjustment be made to social provisions, stresses the Commission. The latter will be opening consultations with representative of labour and management in 1998 with a view to assessing the justification for Community action in this area. Impact on the labour market. A fundamental structural problem in Europe is the slow adjustment of skills to new economic structures. In this respect, the Communication recommends a new culture of life-long training, backed up by public investment in human resources. The Commission will continue to lend support to investment in human resources, via aid awarded by the European Social Fund under Objective 4 of the Structural Funds and via the ADAPT-BIS Community Initiative, with the financial allocation for 1997-99 period set at ECU 162m. It will also give support to employment in the so-called "third sector". A call for proposals to promote the use of ICTs by operators in the third sector will be opened shortly. -- #################################################################### # Geoff Walker | Tel/Fax: +44 191 510 1608 | UIN: 2641722 # # Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk # # WWW: www.newnet.org.uk | www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm # #################################################################### From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Oct 09 21:10:25 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xJOuf-0000Cm-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:10:25 +0100 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xJOuc-0000Ce-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:10:23 +0100 Received: from [194.242.131.143] (dialup1-12.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.76]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02109 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:08:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:08:09 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Sussex Community Internet Project (by way of David Wilcox) Subject: Job Opportunities in Sussex Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk SCIP exists to explore ways in which local people can benefit from new technologies. Having successfully bid for Single Regeneration Budget =46unding we are now offering contracts for two pieces of work, to be completed between 1st November and 31st March 1998. IT Support Work: To provide specialist IT support to the work of SCIP, especially in supporting use of the Internet amongst local community groups. This will include maintaining a web site and mailing list, carrying out a research project and assisting in training and support. Project fee =A33750. Project Management: To lead SCIP's work in providing training and specialist support to local community groups, with particular reference to monitoring and reporting on the achievement of SRB targets. Project fee =A34500. =46ull details of contracts can be obtained from: Gill Muncey, Sussex Community Internet Project, Community Base, Queens Road, Brighton BN1 3XE or mailto: info@scip.org.uk http://www.scip.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Oct 10 17:15:01 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xJhiP-0000kG-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:15:01 +0100 Received: from gn3.gn.apc.org [194.202.158.47] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xJhiL-0000k8-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:14:58 +0100 Received: from gn.apc.org [193.130.246.67](ag067.du.pipex.com [193.130.246.67]) by gn3.gn.apc.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA04445 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:33:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:33:09 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710101533.QAA04445@gn3.gn.apc.org> X-Sender: cra@pop.gn.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: cra@gn.apc.org Subject: Edinburgh conference Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear Friends Following are latest details of the forthcoming community media conference in Edinburgh organised by the Community Radio Association, Institute for Local Television and Scottish Association of Smallscale Broadcasters.=20 If you wish to attend in person please complete the booking form attached. All are welcome, so please do pass this message on to your colleagues and friends.=20 If you are unable to take part physically but would like to take part in our parallel virtual conference please reply with the following message only: Steve Buckley ///////////////////////////////////////////////////// Community Media Conference=20 -------------------------- Tune In - Log On - Speak Out! The Right to Communicate in the Digital Age 24-25 October 1997=20 University of Edinburgh Conference Centre Organised by: Community Radio Association, Institute of Local=20 Television, Scottish Association of Smallscale Broadcasters Exploring the challenge of media convergence for community radio,=20 local television and community on-line networking and bringing=20 together experts, policy makers, practitioners, and international=20 guests to take part in: Panels and debate - Training sessions - Fringe meetings - Action workshops= =20 Cyber caf=E9 - Equipment exhibition - Demonstrations - Technical Advice Running order Friday 24 October 09.00 Registration 10.00 Welcoming remarks Brendan Murphy, Scottish Association of=20 Smallscale Broadcasters Dave Rushton, Institute of Local Television 10.10 Introduction and overview Lesley Pullar, Chair, CRA 10.20 Community media and public policy What public policy framework can best facilitate a=20 diverse and innovative community media sector? Dr. Lewis Mooney MP, former Shadow Minister=20 for Broadcasting Michael Thomson, General Manager, Community=20 Broadcasting Association of Australia John MacPherson, Chief Executive, Gaelic Broadcasting Fund 11.20 Break 11.50 Broadcasting regulation in the digital age What approaches to regulation are needed to meet=20 the challenge of digitalisation and convergence? Paul Bolt, Head of Broadcasting Policy,=20 Department of Culture, Media and Sport David Lloyd, Head of Programming and=20 Advertising, The Radio Authority Paul Smee, Director of Public Affairs,=20 Independent Television Commission 12.50 Introducing Castle Transmission International The successor to BBC transmission Paul Eaton, Business Development Manager, CTI 13.00 Lunch 14.30 Panel and debate: Community networking in the digital age communities on-line, local interactive networks,=20 radio and television meets the Web Speaker: David Wilcox, UK Communities Online Training workshops: 1. Local radio licence opportunities Applying for a local licence, short term services, broadcast planning and operation 2. New media production workshop Grassroots video making, making radio=20 adverts and jingles, web site construction 3. Running a media training course Training needs analysis, planning and running a=20 training course, assessment and evaluation 15.45 Break 16.15 Panel and debate: Local broadcasting in a digital future Digital radio and TV, new opportunities or new=20 gatekeepers, prospects for community media Speaker: Dr Brian Evans, Tantara Tec Training workshops: =09 1. Planning a local television service Accessing cable, Restricted Service Licences, technical=20 requirements, content and viability 2. New media production workshop Digital sound and video editing, teletext=20 assembly, interactive broadcast systems,=20 3. Knowing your audience Market research strategies, information sources,=20 surveying the potential audience 17.30 Break 18.00 Reception with finger buffet and drinks Sponsored by Castle Transmission International 21.00 Ceilidh at the Tron Bar Hosted by Scottish Association of Smallscale Broadcasters Saturday 25 October 09.15 Building the community media movement Consultative session on the CRA=92s future strategy 10.00 The right to communicate: a human right international perspectives on the right to a space for popular and grassroots communications Margaret Gillan, Community Media Network J=FCrgen Linke, Offener Kanal Berlin 10.45 Break 11.15 New media and community building Community media as a tool for developing=20 communities and tackling social exclusion Andy MacDonald, Craigmillar Community=20 Information Service Donald McTernan, Regional Manager,=20 Community Radio Association - London =09 12.15 a) CRA 1997 Annual General Meeting b) New media production workshop ... the final edit 13.15 Lunch 14.30 Main session:=20 Community media in multi-media Audio-visual presentation of the results of the=20 new media production workshops Action workshops: 1. Community media on-line networking Strategies and priorities for getting the community media movement on-line 2. Community media exchange Programme sharing, joint productions, local,=20 national and international co-operation 15.45 Break 16.00 Final plenary and closing remarks 16.30 Close ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Booking details --------------- The Venue: The conference takes place at the University of Edinburgh=20 Training and Conference Centre, 11 South College Street, Edinburgh,=20 a newly converted, state of the art venue located in the city centre=20 and easily accessible from the main bus and rail stations. There is=20 full disabled access and disabled toilet facilities at the venue. Fees: The venue is non-residential so accommodation has been reserved=20 at nearby locations for Thursday and Friday nights. Here are details of=20 the accommodation options to help you select from the packages below: Thistle Court Hotel: 3-Crown hotel approximately 1 mile from the=20 conference centre. All rooms en-suite with colour TV, direct dial=20 telephone, tea and coffee facilities. Bed and Breakfast: Various family-run guest houses up to 1/2 mile from=20 the conference centre. Most rooms en-suite with tea and coffee=20 facilities. You will be advised in which guest house you have been booked. Princes Street West Hostel: Good quality private hostel approximately 1=20 mile from the conference centre. Dormitory type accommodation with 4-8=20 beds per room. Breakfast not included. Package 1: Residential (Thistle Court Hotel) Includes 2 nights accommodation, meals and reception CRA members, arts/voluntary organisations =A3155.00 Non-members, statutory/commercial orgs =A3185.00 Package 2: Residential (Bed and breakfast) Includes 2 nights accommodation, meals and reception CRA members, arts/voluntary organisations =A3125.00 Non-members, statutory/commercial orgs =A3155.00 Package 3: Residential (Hostel) Includes 2 nights accommodation, lunches and reception CRA members, arts/voluntary organisations =A370.00 Non-members, statutory/commercial orgs =A3100.00 Package 4: Non-residential Includes conference pass, lunches and reception only CRA members, arts/voluntary organisations =A345.00 Non-members, statutory/commercial orgs =A375.00 Multiple bookings discount: For two or more delegates sharing=20 accommodation under Packages 1 and 2, there is a substantial discount.=20 Fees for second and subsequent delegates are 50 per cent of the rates=20 quoted. Please specify whether double or twin bedding is required.=20 There is no multiple bookings discount for Packages 3 and 4.=20 Booking: Please complete the booking form below and return with=20 payment. A map and directions will be provided on receipt of booking.=20 We recommend early booking as places are limited. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Booking Form ------------ First Delegate Name ........................(single/double/twin*) Second Delegate Name ........................(single/double/twin*) Third Delegate Name ........................(single/double/twin*) Fourth Delegate Name ........................(single/double/twin*) * For Packages 1 and 2 please indicate accommodation type Organisation ............................... Address .................................... ............................................ Postcode ................................... Telephone .................................. Fax ........................................ E-mail ..................................... Special requirements if any ................ ............................................ Package booked and payment details ---------------------------------- First delegate =09 Package 1 (=A3155/=A3185) .......:.. Package 2 (=A3125/=A3155) .......:.. =20 Package 3 (=A370/=A3100) .......:.. Package 4 (=A345/=A375) .......:.. =09 Second delegate (50% of above rates) .......:.. Third delegate (50% of above rates) .......:.. Fourth delegate (50% of above rates) .......:.. =09 Total payment due .......:.. Please make cheques payable to <> and return with your booking form to: Keeley Scott, Community Radio Association 15 Paternoster Row, Sheffield S1 2BX E-mail bookings to cra@gn.apc.org will be invoiced payable within=20 7 days or on registration at the conference whichever is the sooner. =20 -----------------------------------------=20 CRA, 15 Paternoster Row, Sheffield S1 2BX Tel: +44 114 279 5219 Fax: +44 114 279 8976 E-mail: cra@gn.apc.org WWW: http:\\web.pobox.com\~cra ----------------------------------------- building the community media movement ----------------------------------------- From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Oct 19 17:30:32 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xMyFL-0005Pe-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:30:31 +0100 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xMyFI-0005PW-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:30:30 +0100 Received: from [194.242.131.170] (dialup0-52.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.52]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27532; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:27:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:27:42 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, co-europe@loud-n-clear.com From: David Wilcox Subject: Community networking resources site Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk FYI - a very useful site. Does anyone know of university departments in UK/Europe planning anthing similar? Apologies for any cross posting. Regards David ---------- Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:11:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Katherine E. Degelau" X-Sender: kdegelau@testlogin.si.umich.edu To: cn.contacts@umich.edu Subject: Community Networking at UM MIME-Version: 1.0 =PRESS RELEASE== On October 18, the Community Networking Initiative, sponsored by the School of Information at the University of Michigan (UM-SI), unveiled its new site: The Community Connector [http://www.si.umich.edu/Community/] The Community Connector builds from our old page, the Community Networking Resource Site. In addition to enhancing our appearance, we are moving in new and invigorating directions. We are here not just to support community networks, but to support communities. * We have broadened our focus include all community information systems. * We have developed new collections of links. These new resources include examples of CN evaluation methods and mission and goal statements. We also include profiles of specific sites. * We have revamped our online journal, Currents. Its new title is Connections -- emphasizing the interconnectedness of all our communities. What haven't changed are the insightful articles and thoughtful profiles which you've come to expect from our site. * We will be adding a new feature which will allow you to quickly and easily search through our directory of community networks. * We have worked to make navigating through our site's resources even easier. Our search engine is now accessible from each page for your convenience. * Because we want to know what YOU think, we encourage feedback. Just click on the FEEDBACK link on any page to share your opinion. Questions? E-mail us at si.cn@umich.edu ******************** Katherine Degelau kdegelau@umich.edu Happy is he who causes scandal. Salvador Dali -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Oct 21 17:32:24 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNhEF-0006Gv-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:32:23 +0100 Received: from mail.magnet.at [193.80.248.11] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNhED-0006Gq-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:32:21 +0100 Received: from mis (mis.magnet.at [195.170.70.84]) by mail.magnet.at (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA21950; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:30:55 +0200 (CEST) From: g.woltron@magnet.at To: david@communities.org.uk Cc: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, co-europe@loud-n-clear.com Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:31:22 +0200 Subject: Re: www.si.umich.edu/Community/ Message-ID: References: Organization: magnet Online Service MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk david@communities.org.uk,Inet writes:=20 >Does anyone know of university departments in UK/Europe planning anthing=20 >similar?=20 =20 =20 hi everybody,=20 =20 we are going to cover our site with topics like telework and community=20 networks in Austria. (It=B4s a small country, so it=B4s not that much=20 work like in the UK.)=20 =20 As "Center for Social Innovation" we are not only an independent social=20 science institute with lots of (non-research) activities, but also a=20 research partner institute of the University of Agriculture (sounds=20 strange, but it has nothing to do anymore with classical agriculture).=20 =20 greetings from Vienna, Gunter=20 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Oct 22 09:02:28 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNvkK-0006YV-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:02:28 +0100 Received: from diable.upc.es [147.83.98.7] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNvkB-0006YQ-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:02:26 +0100 Received: from sert.ac.upc.es (sert.ac.upc.es [147.83.33.7]) by diable.upc.es (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29215; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:18:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by sert.ac.upc.es (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00609; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:20:46 +0100 (WET DST) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:20:46 +0100 (WET DST) Received: from artur.ac.upc.es(147.83.35.28) by sert.ac.upc.es via smap (V2.0) id xma000606; Wed, 22 Oct 97 09:20:41 +0100 X-Sender: artur@popserver.ac.upc.es Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: g.woltron@magnet.at From: Artur Serra Subject: Re: www.si.umich.edu/Community/ Cc: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, co-europe@loud-n-clear.com Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk >david@communities.org.uk,Inet writes: >>Does anyone know of university departments in UK/Europe planning anthing >>similar? > We are just starting in Barcelona, at the Universitat Politecnica of Catalonia, the Center for Networking Applications, CANET-UPC, http://aleph.ac.upc.es/canet Community networking is one of our priorities. See you, Artur Artur Serra Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya. Campus Nord. Gran Capita, s/n , Modul D6-008 Barcelona 08034 tel, +34-3-4017182 fax, +34-3-4017055 artur@ac.upc.es From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Oct 22 10:04:38 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNwiU-0006Zr-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:04:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNwiS-0006Zm-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:04:36 +0100 Received: from [195.40.173.20] ([195.40.173.20]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2025758; 22 Oct 97 9:30 BST Comments: Authenticated sender is From: entevents@pop3.demon.co.uk To: IIB@pop3.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:16:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: UK public sector Internet use - free e-mail newsletter X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Message-ID: <877509026.2025758.0@[195.40.173.20]> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi there - I'm just running through some e-mail addresses of contacts in the area of public sector Internet/communications technology use, to let people know about a new free e-mail newsletter on public sector Internet use in the UK which I edit, Internet Intelligence Bulletin. The newsletter is a monthly, edited version of our fortnightly subscription-only service, but is intended as a valuable information source in its own right for everyone interested in public sector Internet; community networking; government Internet policy; etc etc. I attach a sample copy below for your information: if you would like to receive them regularly, please e-mail subs@iib.com with 'Subscribe free-version' in the subject header. If you do not reply, you will not receive any further communications. Best wishes, Dan Jellinek, Editor ************************************************ Internet Intelligence Bulletin Free Version OCTOBER 1997 ********************************************************** SECTION ONE: NEWS ********************************************************** MOVES TO WIRE UP ALL SCHOOLS * * * Government proposes huge, organic educational network * * * The government unveiled a range of measures this week aimed at connecting all the nation's schools to the Internet by 2002. It intends to create a huge, organic network of educational services and forums for exchange of ideas between teachers, pupils, libraries and museums which will sit within the wider Internet, to be known as the National Grid of Learning. The grid will begin as a prototype based on Department for Education and Employment servers next year, and the aim is to develop it through a network of separate schemes run by individual schools or groups of schools in partnership with private sector consortia, which will be given National Grid certification by the government. Some =A350 million is to be spent next year by the DfEE on communications technology for schools, and sources say that similar amounts have been earmarked for the subsequent three of four years. The =A350m is being allocated on a 50-50 part-funding basis, with schools being required to find a matching amount from existing budgets; private sector sponsorship; or fund-raising from parents or governors. This is an accepted method of funding schools capital schemes. However, some schools have expressed fears that private sector sponsorship from IT-related companies may tie them in to other computer-related deals which restrict what they can do with technology. Further money from the lottery - also around =A350m a year, the Bulletin has learned - has been pledged to train existing teachers in technology awareness and use, to bring all teachers up to the same level as new student teachers, who from next year will all receive technology training. CONSULTANCY CATALOGUE A government-run on-line catalogue of public sector IT consultancy services, S- CAT, is due to be launched on Monday. See the `What's new' section of the Government Information Service next week for details: http://www.open.gov.uk AT THE CUTTING EDGE The Society of Public Information Networks (SPIN) is holding a conference in Bristol on 1 December on the cutting edge of local authority public information services including information kiosks, Internet sites, intranet systems and community partnerships. Full details at: http://www.spin.org.uk ********************************************************** SECTION TWO: CASE STUDY: BRITISH TOURIST AUTHORITY ********************************************************** GARGANTUAN SITE TO DRAW IN VISITORS TO BRITAIN The British Tourist Authority's new logo - a deconstructed Union Jack with swirls and patches of colour - follows another modernising move at the authority which received less coverage but is no less important. This was the July launch of the 40,000 page `VisitBritain' web site, trumpeted by Culture, Media and Sport Secretary Chris Smith as "possibly the largest, most comprehensive web site launched in Britain to date". The site, said Mr Smith, would provide tourists across the world with one-stop access to information on Britain's attractions as a holiday destination. Its features include: * An interactive map to help locate information, places to visit, events, and tourist information centres; * a `virtual brochure', an innovative feature which allows visitors to store items of interest from around the web site in one place; * a shop selling books, guides and gifts; * detailed information about destinations in England, Scotland and Wales, including extensive photography; * a media room, with press releases, background information and broadcast quality video vaults; and * special travel offers. This gargantuan site was born out of a pilot BTA web site in May 1996, which was set up to test the water and see where hits would come from. The pilot site was produced in-house, and by gathering e-mail and other feedback made some surprising discoveries: that 40% of users were women, for example, and a significant proportion were over 50 years old. Less surprisingly, it was found that most of the e-mail came from the US, but the remainder came from a very wide range of countries. Subsequent work on the full-scale VisitBritain site began nine months ago, providing an Internet front-end to the BTA's existing TRIPS tourist information database. BTA spokesman Laurence Bresh says the site is aimed largely at the overseas market, although the British public and the travel industry were also intended to be major user groups. The web interface is intended to handle all levels of inquiry from all groups, he said, being able to drill down to a local level as well as providing basic information on topics such as the currency, voltage supply and so on. The authority is funded largely by the government, although it does have to find some private sector funding, and intends to reach a position where the Internet service pays for itself through selling advertising space - British Airways is already an advertiser - offering special travel deals, and offering hotels and others the chance to provide more detailed information to users at a cost. There are already around 20,000 accommodation sites listed, and hotels can pay extra to have enhanced entries including pictures of rooms, e-mail links and more detailed information. E-mail booking is also possible. The total set-up cost in the first year is =A3300,000, including design fees, technological costs and staff, Mr Bresh says. "We'd like to see that dramatically reduced in future years, and aim to break even in our second year. We want to be the leading tourist authority Internet site in the world - and we don't know of any other on this scale". But the main aim in the short term, Mr Bresh says, is simply to ensure the existing huge site is kept running smoothly. "We want to keep on top of it and ensure it is kept up to date - so first we want a period of stability, before we tune it finer to different markets", he said. "We have created a monster, and we need to keep feeding it". VisitBritain is at: http://www.visitbritain.com ********************************************************** SECTION THREE: LAW - ELECTRONIC COMMERCE ********************************************************** LIFTING THE BARRIERS TO FREE ELECTRONIC COMMERCE The new government has wasted no time in declaring its commitment to a `wired' society. This week Prime Minister Tony Blair entertained Microsoft chief Bill Gates at 10 Downing Street in return for Mr Gates' views on how to achieve the vision of a `National Grid for Learning' - the linking of all UK schools to the Internet. This makes it an interesting time to take a look at what legal steps other governments have recently taken to encourage, or discourage, the growth of the Internet. In July this year President Clinton launched the US government's report `A framework for electronic commerce' which takes a hands-off approach to Internet regulation, and also declares that there should be no new taxes or separate tax regime for business conducted online. The most important legal principles outlined in the report are that: * Government should avoid undue restrictions. Parties should be able to enter into agreements to buy and sell across the Internet "with minimal government involvement or intervention"; and * "Electronic commerce over the Internet should be facilitated on a global basis". A legal framework - based on a model law drafted by the United Nations Commission on International Trade Law - should be "governed by consistent principles across state, national and international borders". Contrast the US approach with some recent developments in Europe. Earlier this year the European Union considered proposing a `bit tax' - a levy intended to tax every bit of data moving over the Internet, regardless of what kind of data is being moved - and although that proposal was dismissed at a conference in Bonn in July (with the German economics minister telling delegates "there should be no discriminatory taxes and laws placed on the Internet") in Germany itself computer users are now facing a new levy of around =A3120 on each PC capable of downloading video content from the Internet (whether or not it is actually used for this purpose). So while the US declares itself `open for business' in cyberspace, Europe is still trying to decide whether or not to grab the tiger's tail. * * * Jonathan Riley, Lawrence Graham * * * E-mail: jonathan.riley@lawgram.co.uk Tel: 0171 379 0000 Web: http://www.lawgram.com ********************************************************** SECTION FOUR: SITE TO SEE ********************************************************** http://turva.me.tut.fi/~oshweb OSHWEB is a Finland-based index of occupational health and safety resources on the Internet, which will be of interest to many public sector managers. The range of material is broad and lively. Information presented falls under many categories, including chemical safety; emergency management; ergonomics/human factors; fire safety; government agencies; human-computer interaction; information services; international organisations; occupational medicine; product safety; risk management; and relevant Usenet newsgroups. Alongside the more mainstream links, we find links to more off-beat resources such as the `Emergency Preparedness Information Center' (http://www.theepicenter.com), which will help you prepare for natural disasters from hurricanes to tsunamis. ends From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Oct 22 11:00:34 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNxac-0006bG-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:00:34 +0100 Received: from Nzambi.qub.ac.uk [143.117.14.23] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNxaa-0006bB-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:00:32 +0100 Received: from fujin.qub.ac.uk by Nzambi.qub.ac.uk with SMTP-QUB (PP); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:53:10 +0000 Received: from x25.qub.ac.uk by fujin.qub.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA28860; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:56:48 +0100 From: "David R. Newman" To: David Wilcox cc: co-europe@loud-n-clear.com, conet@ukco.org.uk, iacn@sheffield.ac.uk Subject: Re: Community networking resources site Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:51:04 +0100 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:27:42 +0100 (BST) David Wilcox wrote: > Does anyone know of university departments in UK/Europe planning anthing > similar? > The Community Connector > [http://www.si.umich.edu/Community/] 1. Isn't that what the Communities Online site already does? 2. If you look at the umich credits page, you find that it is the work of 10 research assistants. Well, we only have 1.5 research assistants in Belfast, so we are only putting together some pages covering the results of our research on evaluating community networks. If others can come up with another 8.5 people to contribute to a "supersite" then we too could do something similar between us. ---------------------- Dr. David R. Newman, Queen's University Belfast, School of Management, BELFAST BT7 1NN, UK Tel. +44-1232-335011 FAX +44-1232-249881 http://www.qub.ac.uk/mgt/ mailto:d.r.newman@qub.ac.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Oct 23 03:37:54 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xOD9I-00070L-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:37:24 +0100 Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xOD9F-00070C-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:37:22 +0100 Received: from Chris.coventry.org.uk (chris.coventry.org.uk [195.194.23.50]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA00567 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:36:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199710230236.DAA00567@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chris Studman" Organization: Ecosaurus To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:36:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Late delivery of messages In-reply-to: <199710101533.QAA04445@gn3.gn.apc.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Can anyone tell me why I'm just getting messages from two weeks ago? Isn't conet an automatic mailing list? Several of the messages (eg Edinburgh conference) relate to events taking place in the next two days - timescale is therefore a bit short!!!!! Chris Studman Chris Studman Ecosaurus 210 Broadgate House, Broadgate, Coventry CV1 1NG UK Tel: 01203 630476 Fax: 01203 630518 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Oct 23 07:34:35 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xOGqf-000747-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:34:25 +0100 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xOGqd-000741-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:34:24 +0100 Received: from [194.242.131.182] (dialup2-54.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.182]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA07158 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:32:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:32:48 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710230236.DAA00567@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> References: <199710101533.QAA04445@gn3.gn.apc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Re: Late delivery of messages Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk At 3:36 am +0000 23/10/97, Chris Studman wrote: >Can anyone tell me why I'm just getting messages from two weeks ago? Sorry, a bad email address hung the list. Should be fixed now David -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Oct 27 21:40:13 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xPwsi-0001dj-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:39:28 +0000 Received: from gn3.gn.apc.org [194.202.158.47] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xPwsf-0001de-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:39:26 +0000 Received: from CRA [193.130.242.219](ac219.du.pipex.com [193.130.242.219]) by gn3.gn.apc.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA04728 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:46:07 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:46:07 GMT Message-Id: <199710272146.VAA04728@gn3.gn.apc.org> X-Sender: cra@gn.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: cra@gn.apc.org (Steve Buckley) Subject: UK community media platform Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk - NEWS RELEASE - 26 October 1997 Community broadcasters establish cross-media platform Members of the Community Radio Association voted at their annual meeting on 25 October 1997 to change the name of the organisation to Community Media Association. At the same time the Association changed its objects to reflect an extended remit "to advance the education of the public in all aspects of community media" and agreed a new ten point Community Media Charter. Representatives of community-based radio, television, cable and on-line services from throughout the U.K gathered in Edinburgh over two days for a community media conference on the Right to Communicate in the Digital Age. The event was jointly organised by Community Radio Association, Institute of Local Television and Scottish Association of Smallscale Broadcasters. Speaking at the conference, Dr Lewis Moonie, Labour MP for Kirkcaldy and former Shadow Minister for broadcasting, said: "There has been a significant amount of legislative change but for the most part it has been aimed at large scale broadcasters and programme providers. Information like any other resource is distributed unevenly and there will always be information rich and information poor, but community media could go a long way to redressing the imbalance." The Community Media Charter affirms the values which are supported by members of the renamed Community Media Association. The Charter endorses the freedom of expression and information and asserts the fundamental role of community media in promoting the right to communicate. It is based on the European Charter of the World Association of Community Radio Broadcasters which has already been adopted by associations in Ireland, Netherlands and other European countries. The Community Media Association is seeking recognition and support for community media within the UK policy framework for broadcasting and communications. The Community Media Charter will now form the basis of a cross media platform for action in support of community media development. The Association will be presenting detailed proposals for the development of community media in the run up to new legislation which is anticipated in the next two to three years. -ends- Further information: Steve Buckley Tel: 44 (0) 114 279 5219 Notes 1. A summary of the conference proceedings is available by e-mail from and will be posted shortly at 2. The full text of the Community Media Charter follows: Community Media Charter Recognising that community media foster the freedom of expression and information, the development of culture, the freedom to form and confront opinions and active participation in local life; noting that different cultures and communities lead to a diversity of forms of community media; this Charter identifies objectives which community media share and should strive to achieve: 1. To promote the right to communicate, to assist the free flow of information and opinions, to encourage creative expression and to contribute to the democratic process and a pluralist society; 2. To provide access to training, production and distribution facilities, to encourage local creative talent, to foster local traditions, and to provide services for the benefit, entertainment, education and development of their audience; 3. To seek to have their ownership representative of local geographically recognisable communities or of communities of common interest; 4. To be editorially independent of government, commercial and religious institutions and political parties in determining their programming policy; 5. To provide a right of access to minority and marginalised groups and to promote and protect cultural and linguistic diversity; 6. To honestly inform their audience on the basis of information drawn from a variety of sources and to provide a right of reply to any person or organisation subject to serious misrepresentation; 7. To be established as organisations which are not run with a view to profit and to ensure their independence by being financed from a variety of sources; 8. To recognise and respect the contribution of volunteers, to recognise the right of paid workers to join trade unions and to provide satisfactory working conditions for both; 9. To operate management, programming and employment practices which oppose discrimination and which are open and accountable to all supporters, staff and volunteers; 10. To foster exchange between community media practitioners using communications to develop greater understanding in support of peace, tolerance, democracy and development. ----------------------------------------------------------- Community Media Association 15 Paternoster Row, Sheffield S1 2BX Tel. 44 (0) 114 279 5219 Fax. 44 (0) 114 279 8976 E-mail. cra@gn.apc.org WWW. http:\\www.pobox.com\~cra ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Nov 02 22:06:56 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xS89O-0004Jj-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:05:42 +0000 Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.135] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xS89M-0004Jb-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:05:40 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.8) id RAA14049 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:03:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:03:04 -0500 From: Alan Denbigh Subject: EUROPEAN TELEWORK WEEK - November 3rd-10th. To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199711021703_MC2-2677-10DD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk EUROPEAN TELEWORK WEEK - November 3rd-10th. This is a list of all the UK based activities in European Telework Week, including a free webcast of the major conference, Telework World. PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO ANYONE YOU THINK WILL BE INTERESTED. Than= k you. CONFERENCE Telework World 97 is a three day conference with 37 speakers, 3 formal disucsion groups, and 3 SIG events. One stream is devoted to case studie= s. Alongside the conference will be demonstrations of the lastest technology= from BT, AT&T, Siemens and others. The event takes place on Nov 5-7th, a= nd is located in London Docklands. URL: www.cix.co.uk/~teleworkevents Email: teleworkevents@cix.co.uk Tel: 01189 623 292 VIDEOCONFERENCE The Wednesday Nov 5th morning session of Telework World will be videoconferenced to the following locations in Scotland Wales and England= =2E = Skye Data Services, Portree Isle of Skye Tel : 01478 612 841 or 01478 612 983 = Presteigne Community Resource Centre, Powys Tel : 01544 260168 = Wren Telecottage Tel : 01203 696986 Fakenham Learning Centre Tel : 01328 864939 The videoconference is supported by the Telework, Telecottage & Telecentr= e Association and the European Telework Development project (ETD). Full details URL: www.tca.org.uk/telwk97.htm WEB-CAST The Computer Science department of the University of Wales at Aberystwyth= will translate the videoconference output into a Webcast . Attendees should collect a free copy of RealPlayer5 from www.real.com = For connection to the webcast visit the Telework World site at = URL: www.cix.co.uk/~teleworkevents and click on the webcast link. ONLINE SURVEY During ETW the UK Telework Platform is supporting a web-based survey into= teleworking practices in UK businesses. You are invited to take part in the survey by accessing: URL: teleworking.madeeasy.com Respondents to the on-line survey will be able to download, free of charg= e, the findings of the earlier Corporate Telework Survey - researched and published by Small World Connections - who are also running this on-line survey. = ENDS.... From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 04 14:10:06 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xSjfS-0004tw-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:09:18 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xSjfN-0004tr-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:09:16 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.162] (dialup1-09.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.73]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29062 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:07:09 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:07:09 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710101533.QAA04445@gn3.gn.apc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Hello again conet Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hello everyone on conet... the list for anyone interested in the practicalities of developing community networks, resource centres, Digital Cities, Digital Villages... etc First, apologies that this list has been rather quiet, without updates on development of the Communities Online Campaign (reminder - see link from http:www.communities.org.uk for details). Campaign development is being funded by the DTI, and we are fundraising with potential industry sponsors. Several reasons for silence: both Michael Mulquin and I have had illnesses on our families... and there was a technical clitch which held things up... and we have been working furiously on various fronts. However, you will shortly receive a message from our events organiser Ann Holmes about an event inYork December 16/17. This will be a great opportunity for people involved in community networking to help shape the way the campaign develops, including: - A UK map showing the location and spread of community networking - Major developments in the Web site to provide community networking resources - A game and demo to facilitate start ups and partnership building - More events, discussion lists and other ways of sharing experience - Developments around particular topic areas All this will follow on the discussions some of us had in Dunchurch, and provide an update of lots that's happened since. Between now and the York event the team working on Campaign development will provide more detailed updates, which can feed discussion at York and provide an opportunity for discussion for those who can't make it. A quick who's who: Michael Mulquin, who has been chair of UKCO, is taking an active role in campaign development and will provide a further update shortly. Peter Mason and Mark Walker are working with me on the Web site and discussion lists Ann Holmes is organising events Drew Mackie is developing a community networking game .... plus about a dozen others on the steering group. Thanks everyone. I've been in the middle of developing UKCO in various forms over the past two years and will stay with the campaign as we launch next year... though very happy for others to take on different aspects! My plan is to concentrate more on the campaign 'products' as Michael leads on overall development. One of the areas we will explore on this list and face to face is the best way in which the UKCO campaign can help broker funding and support for local projects. I'm away from November 6 for a week's holiday (without email:-) but will be back online after that. Meanwhile over to you Ann, Michael and anyone else who wants to join in Regards David -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Nov 05 23:07:30 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xTEW4-0005Mf-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:05:40 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xTEVz-0005MX-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:05:38 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.171] (dialup1-54.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.118]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA08165 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:03:32 GMT X-Sender: pic@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:03:37 +0100 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Ann Holmes Subject: UKCO Workshop Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk =46ollowing the message from David, I am writing to invite you to take par= t in UKCO's two day workshop, at which you will get the opportunity to test the Communities Online Campaign products being developed. These include: * map - an online clickable database of projects and community networking services * charter - a set of criteria and guidelines for the above * DIY Toolkit and website - a library and store of articles and "how to" materials * game - an interactive simulation of the process of creating an online community Come and make sure that the products are developed in a way which is beneficial to you.Early ideas for the campaign can be found linked from the UKCO site http://www.communities.org.uk The workshop will take place * from midday Tuesday 16 December 1997 to 5 pm Wednesday 17 December 1997 * at the University College of Ripon and York, St. John, Lord Mayor's Walk, York =46ees, to be forwarded with registration forms, include all meals and accommodation and are: * local voluntary projects - =A325 (+ VAT) * national voluntary and academic organisations - =A350 (+ VAT) * local authorities -=A375 (+ VAT) * corporate sector -=A3100 (+ VAT) A number of bursaries will be available - Please let me know if you require further details. Registration forms and programme details will be available from next week and forwarded on request. =46ocus Group I am drawing together a focus group of 6-8 people, to monitor and evaluate events. The group will meet after: * the December workshop * one of the 1998 summer seminars - to be held in London * the Annual Conference - 18/20 September 1998, in York. Those selected to be members of this group, which will seek to encompass the various interests within UKCO, will receive free places at the above events and dinner, bed and breakfast following the focus group meetings, which will take place immediately after the events. If you would like to be considered for membership, please let me have the following details: * age * occupation (if any) * employer (if applicable) * address * particular areas of interest (in relation to UKCO) With all good wishes Ann From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 06 15:34:28 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xTTwo-0005dF-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:34:18 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xTTwm-0005dA-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:34:16 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11251 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:32:56 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:32:56 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971106163258.191f87d0@foobar.net> X-Sender: telework@foobar.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Trevor Locke Subject: Re: UKCO Workshop Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I would like to apply for a bursary. I am an individual with no organisation to fund my attendance. Trevor Locke At 23:03 05/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Following the message from David, I am writing to invite you to take part >in UKCO's two day workshop, at which you will get the opportunity to test >the Communities Online Campaign products being developed. These include: > >* map - an online clickable database of projects and community networking >services >* charter - a set of criteria and guidelines for the above >* DIY Toolkit and website - a library and store of articles and "how to" >materials >* game - an interactive simulation of the process of creating an online >community > >Come and make sure that the products are developed in a way which is >beneficial to you.Early ideas for the campaign can be found linked from the >UKCO site http://www.communities.org.uk > >The workshop will take place > >* from midday Tuesday 16 December 1997 to 5 pm Wednesday 17 December 1997 >* at the University College of Ripon and York, St. John, Lord Mayor's Walk, >York > >Fees, to be forwarded with registration forms, include all meals and >accommodation and are: > >* local voluntary projects - =A325 (+ VAT) >* national voluntary and academic organisations - =A350 (+ VAT) >* local authorities -=A375 (+ VAT) >* corporate sector -=A3100 (+ VAT) > >A number of bursaries will be available - Please let me know if you require >further details. > >Registration forms and programme details will be available from next week >and forwarded on request. > >Focus Group > >I am drawing together a focus group of 6-8 people, to monitor and evaluate >events. The group will meet after: > >* the December workshop >* one of the 1998 summer seminars - to be held in London >* the Annual Conference - 18/20 September 1998, in York. > >Those selected to be members of this group, which will seek to encompass >the various interests within UKCO, will receive free places at the above >events and dinner, bed and breakfast following the focus group meetings, >which will take place immediately after the events. > >If you would like to be considered for membership, please let me have the >following details: > >* age >* occupation (if any) >* employer (if applicable) >* address >* particular areas of interest (in relation to UKCO) > > >With all good wishes > >Ann > > > > > > > Trevor Locke, Event and Project Services, Conferencing Consultants Helping the world to talk. Developing new projects telework@foobar.co.uk # http://members.aol.com/eventserv/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 06 16:09:52 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xTUV4-0005e8-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:09:42 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xTUV3-0005e3-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:09:41 +0000 Received: from Michael.newtel.org.uk ([151.133.225.6]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with SMTP id QAA03833 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:08:19 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971106154652.00811a10@geo2.poptel.org.uk> X-Sender: aston-ciu@geo2.poptel.org.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:46:52 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Michael Mulquin Subject: Re: UKCO Workshop In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi folks! Just to remind us that anybody wishing to book or enquire about the UKCO workshop should mail Ann Holmes, our events organiser, directly. She is at: pic@pavilion.co.uk Let's keep conet for issues of general interest. Michael Mulquin Aston Community Involvement Unit/UK Communities Online Durning Hall, Forest Gate, London E7 9AB, England Tel +44 (0)181 519 2244 Fax +44 (0)181 519 5472 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 11 23:01:05 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVPHq-0000U3-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:59:58 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVPHp-0000Ty-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:59:57 +0000 Received: from Michael.newtel.org.uk ([151.133.225.6]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with SMTP id VAA16092 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:28:20 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971111210552.007f3cd0@geo2.poptel.org.uk> X-Sender: aston-ciu@geo2.poptel.org.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:05:52 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Michael Mulquin Subject: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear All, Ann Holmes, our events organiser, has already mailed you about the exciting programme we will be running in York on 16th and 17th December. This is to give you some background, so that you can see how it will benefit you to join with us. As you know, UK Communities Online is all about putting the new media technologies into the hands of local communities. If we are to succeed in this, whether at a national or a local level, we need to be clear as to what are the key online services that local communities need.=20 For instance, at the moment I am telling people that what communities need is:=20 =B7 A well-organised 'gateway' on the Web signposting information, online services and access points in the area =B7 Strategic action to ensure that all sections of the community have acces= s to the technology, with appropriate training and support. =B7 The ability to "do business" locally, including paying council Tax, booking appointments with GPs etc. =B7 Democracy Online. A community conferencing system providing public space for information and discussion, with inputs to local authorities and agencies where these are online. =B7 Support for small businesses, community and voluntary organisations and special interest groups to enable them to use the new technology= effectively. What have I missed out that you think is of vital importance? Is there anything listed that could well be left out Can you think of a better way of clustering the different ideas together? In York we will be look at these issues together so that we can come to a concensus. This will ensure that we have a solid basis for the map and charter that will be the focus of the UKCO campaign. However, it will also help us individually in our work in developing services for local= communities. York will also give us the opportunity to further develop practical applications we can start to work on collaboratively over the next few months to save each of us from having to work through issues in isolation. The two days will be hard work, but I hope that each one of us will take away many useful ideas to the projects in which we are engaged. Ann will be mailing out the registration forms in a few days. See you in York!! Michael Mulquin Aston Community Involvement Unit/UK Communities Online Durning Hall, Forest Gate, London E7 9AB, England Tel +44 (0)181 519 2244 Fax +44 (0)181 519 5472 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Nov 12 09:59:09 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVZYv-0000j8-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:58:17 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVZYt-0000j3-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:58:15 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14970 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:45 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:45 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971112105649.3237c3ea@foobar.net> X-Sender: telework@foobar.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Trevor Locke Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hello All >As you know, UK Communities Online is all about putting the new media >technologies into the hands of local communities. If we are to succeed in >this, whether at a national or a local level, we need to be clear as to >what are the key online services that local communities need. It is an assumpton that there is a pre-existing need. I thinks it often in some areas about creating an interest. But I am sure that what Michael really said here (journalist licence) is that local organisers need to identify and respond to local community needs for information and communications and then help them to secure those needs through the Internet, etc. This is an important value-point - important to word exactly - that its not us telling them what they need but vice versa - and I think Michael would agree with this. > >For instance, at the moment I am telling people that what communities need >is: So even though Michael wrote the above words what he actually meant was "I am reflecting what communities tell me they need..." just so we dont give the wrong idea by being ambiguous .... {I agree with the list that came here} >What have I missed out that you think is of vital importance? Is there >anything listed that could well be left out Can you think of a better way >of clustering the different ideas together? Yes I think the map could be better drawn with three major divisions - community, public sector and business. There are then 3 - 4 layers of subjects and topics beneath each of these - but thats just information-ology. Education almost deserves a category on its own. > >In York we will be look at these issues together so that we can come to a >concensus. You hope!!! :) And the rest is all fine and worthy. But there is one issue that I think need some airing at York - ideology and values. At the moment UKCOL is position in a rather 70S style community development time warp - with most of thinking being old labour rather than new labour. so to speak. At Rugby I found tensions between those who had anti-commercial anti-business values, who saw communities in rather romantic and purist terms, who couldnt stomach the idea of getting money from advertising for local projects - who wanted a purely public sector - rather modernist - set of values to dominate local practice. Not everyone agrees with this orientation. Im infavour of working with the private sector, of having a well oiled business support function within local on-line projects, of using commercial interests to fund charitable, non-profit activities. I would like the conference to debate the pros and cons of local projects running as buisnesses, being commercially successful and making profits that are then covenanted back into the project. I would like to see some on-lines run as community businesses, being independently sustainable and not permantly with thier hand in the public purse. To me sustainability is all about leaving grant aid behind and becoming self-sustaining as a community business. But I would like an opportunity to debate that orientation with those who would not agree with it. regards Trevor Locke Trevor Locke, Event and Project Services, Internet Services Helping the world to talk. Developing new projects telework@foobar.co.uk # http://members.aol.com/webwork/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Nov 12 12:24:30 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVbqD-0000ld-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:24:17 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVbqC-0000lY-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:24:16 +0000 Received: from arl-img-8.compuserve.com (arl-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.217.138]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with ESMTP id MAA26984 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:22:48 GMT Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.8) id HAA17692 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:21:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:17:57 -0500 From: Alan Denbigh Subject: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199711120721_MC2-27DC-ADA2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Michael = I think you have missed out the Telecottage/Telecentre network and the fa= ct that it spawns resource centres and telematic facilities in village halls= =2E = I think people need to know what is there already so that they don't re-invent the wheel, but build on what is already there..... Alan Denbigh Exec Director, TCA -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------------------------------- TCA - The Telework, Telecottage and Telecentre Association Membership Enquiries 0800 616008 (Outside UK + 44 1203 696986) Executive Director on tel 01453 834874 fax 01453 836174 Email 100272.3137@compuserve.com Web : http://www.tca.org.co.uk The TCA is a member of the European Telework Development Project (ETD) The TCA is an Information Society Initiative (ISI) partner -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------------------------------ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Nov 12 21:46:24 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVkbx-0000xK-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:46:09 +0000 Received: from MCR1.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVkbp-0000xF-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:46:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:44:22 +0100 GMT From: INFO.UNLIMITED@MCR1.poptel.org.uk Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! To: conet@ukco.org.uk Message-Id: <1197147237MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Alan Denbigh wrote: > Michael > I think you have missed out the Telecottage/Telecentre network and the > fact > that it spawns resource centres and telematic facilities in village > halls. > I think people need to know what is there already so that they don't > re-invent the wheel, but build on what is already there..... I strongly agree with this point. I have just read the Library and Information Comission Working Party on IT, which is called 'New Library: The People's Network' and was disappointed that there is no mention of telecentres as places where people can access new communcations technologies and recieve training. The report suggests that this work should be done in libraries, but surely we have a great deal to learn from the experience of telecentres (and community networks and what they have achieved and learnt in terms of access to new technolgies - they were not mentioned either!). I don't doubt that libraries could be a good place for people to use IT, but all of the UK is not a homogenous blob - each community should be has different needs and circumstances, and the best approach has to be one that investigates what already exists, how well it works, what can be improved upon, what people want etc etc. Debbie Ellen From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Nov 12 21:56:19 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVklc-0000xq-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:56:08 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVklb-0000xl-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:56:07 +0000 Received: from ae168.du.pipex.com (ae168.du.pipex.com [193.130.244.168]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with SMTP id VAA00825 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:54:40 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:54:40 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971112225626.1d778234@geo2.poptel.org.uk> X-Sender: aston-ciu@geo2.poptel.org.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Michael Mulquin Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk At 07:17 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Michael >I think you have missed out the Telecottage/Telecentre network and the fact >that it spawns resource centres and telematic facilities in village halls. >I think people need to know what is there already so that they don't >re-invent the wheel, but build on what is already there..... > Alan, thanks for your comments. I wasn't leaving telecottages out. I was trying to reflect on the general areas of need rather than on particular ways of meeting some of those needs. However you are quite right to stress that we don't forget the hugely important resources that you, and those working with you have built up. Please keep reminding me!! What I would apprectiate is your thoughts on where Telecottages might feature in my list. Clearly one of their roles is in promoting access by providing public access centres, training and support. Do you think they have a role in some of the other areas as well - eg in helping people to "do business" online etc? I do hope that you can make it to York as you have been working in this field much longer than mnost of us and can clearly give us lots of useful advice. Take care! Michael Mulquin UK Communities Online Aston Community Involvement Unit Durning Hall, Forest Gate, London E7 9AB Tel 0181 519 2244 0171 473 4750 (h) From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 13 00:31:28 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVnAx-00012U-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:27 +0000 Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.132] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVnAv-00012M-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:25 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.8) id TAA16318 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:27:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:27:33 -0500 From: Alan Denbigh Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199711121927_MC2-27FA-2CC5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Michael, you said wrt to telecottages : = >>Clearly one of their roles is in promoting access by >>providing public access centres, training and support. Do you think th= ey >>have a role in some of the other areas as well - eg in helping people t= o "do >>business" online etc? Definitely !!! I would say that they are keen to do this and if anything the shift has been away from community access and towards more commercial services as time as has gone on. This echoes Trevor Locke's point that in order to create sustainability, this is the direction that has been followed. = BTW a clickable telecottage map is on our web page (www.tca.org.uk) and a= s we update this we will add in direct links to these. = Regards Alan = From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 13 09:34:38 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVvfL-0001IU-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:34:23 +0000 Received: from ruralwales.net [163.164.63.100] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xVvfI-0001IP-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:34:20 +0000 Received: from post.powys.gov.uk ([172.16.1.13]) by gateway1.ruralwales.net with SMTP id <22433>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:27:59 +0000 Received: from borg.powys.gov.uk by post.powys.gov.uk via Connect2-SMTP 4.00 (0000939); Thu, 13 Nov 97 09:32:27 +0000 Received: from TIMF_LAPTOP (TIMF_LAPTOP [172.16.114.74]) by borg.powys.gov.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ta071883 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:36:21 +0000 Received: by timf.powys.gov.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BCF017.2BFDD220@timf.powys.gov.uk>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <01BCF017.2BFDD220@timf.powys.gov.uk> From: Tim Fletcher To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Subject: RE: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:33:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCF017.2C057340" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF017.2C057340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just like to say a few words on this excellent discussion -----Original Message----- From: Michael Mulquin [SMTP:michael@communities.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 1997 21:55 To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! At 07:17 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Michael >I think you have missed out the Telecottage/Telecentre network and the fact >that it spawns resource centres and telematic facilities in village halls. >I think people need to know what is there already so that they don't >re-invent the wheel, but build on what is already there..... > Alan, thanks for your comments. I wasn't leaving telecottages out. I was trying to reflect on the general areas of need rather than on particular ways of meeting some of those needs. However you are quite right to stress that we don't forget the hugely important resources that you, and those working with you have built up. Please keep reminding me!! What I would apprectiate is your thoughts on where Telecottages might feature in my list. Clearly one of their roles is in promoting access by providing public access centres, training and support. Do you think they have a role in some of the other areas as well - eg in helping people to "do business" online etc? [] 'Telecentres Powys' see telecentres as places where people and increasingly SMEs can 'see, feel, touch and smell the technology' in a non pressurised setting. They need to be able to see how ICT can be applied to their own unique circumstances and requirements. For this reason we see that it is important to be able to offer community Email and community web space i.e.the whole package. We are achieving this through the use of Linux Boxes. In rural Powys local democracy issues are also high on the agenda, telecentres can be instrumental in developing a sense of community. The development of this social role will however take a very long time I feel although having said that we already have our virtual community of telecentres! Electronic commerce is an area that I think a large number of businesses will need help with. Those that are aware of ICT are ok but a huge proportion of businesses will need the facilities to be, again, local unpressurised centres in which an evaluation of a technology can take place. 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Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:56:23 +0000 Received: from mail.magnet.at [193.80.248.11] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xWNAS-00023X-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:56:21 +0000 Received: from mis (mis.magnet.at [195.170.70.84]) by mail.magnet.at (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA23348; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:54:32 +0100 (CET) From: "Günter J. Woltron" To: david@communities.org.uk Cc: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, co-europe@loud-n-clear.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:55:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Community networking resources site Message-ID: References: Organization: magnet Online Service MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk hello everybody,=20 =20 we had a stimulating 5-year-anniversary-party of the europe`s=20 secondlargest nonprofit city network (almost 8000 regular user) -=20 it=B4s the Viennese BLACK.BOX. Based on First Class, they are now also=20 opening the WWW for their user. =20 "Satellite-Boxes" are in Budapest and Brussels.=20 =20 Coop. with the EACN is of course desired, we also try "things" to=20 promote.=20 =20 greetings from Vienna, Gunter=20 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Nov 15 21:02:31 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xWpLR-0002z3-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:01:33 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xWpLO-0002yy-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:01:31 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA27819 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:59:55 GMT Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:59:55 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971115220024.26b70408@foobar.net> X-Sender: telework@foobar.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Trevor Locke Subject: Re: Community networking resources site Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Ah ha .... >we had a stimulating 5-year-anniversary-party of the europe`s=20 >secondlargest nonprofit city network (almost 8000 regular user) -=20 >it=B4s the Viennese BLACK.BOX. Based on First Class, they are now also=20 >opening the WWW for their user. =20 another reference to First Class Has anyone else got any case studies of the use of First Class - Ive come across it before and it keeps cropping up - does any one have a URL for its home page on the web? Trevor Trevor Locke, Event and Project Services, Internet Services Helping the world to talk. Developing new projects telework@foobar.co.uk # http://members.aol.com/webwork/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Nov 16 05:20:41 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xWx8G-00037O-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:20:28 +0000 Received: from si.umich.edu [141.211.203.32] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xWx8E-00037J-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:20:26 +0000 Received: from testlogin.si.umich.edu by si.umich.edu (8.8.6/2.2) with SMTP id AAA19518; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:17:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:18:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Charlotte L. Gerstein" X-Sender: cgerstei@testlogin.si.umich.edu To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: telecottage In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971112225626.1d778234@geo2.poptel.org.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a Telecottage? Is there some other term for it in the U.S.? > >I think you have missed out the Telecottage/Telecentre network and the fact > >that it spawns resource centres and telematic facilities in village halls. > >I think people need to know what is there already so that they don't > >re-invent the wheel, but build on what is already there..... Thanks. *********************************************** Charlotte Gerstein cgerstei@umich.edu School of Information, University of Michigan *********************************************** From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Nov 16 11:06:09 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xX2WY-0003C1-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:05:54 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xX2WW-0003Bv-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:05:53 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.139] (dialup2-03.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.131]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18427 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:03:48 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:03:48 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971115220024.26b70408@foobar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Re: Community networking resources site Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Trevor >Has anyone else got any case studies of the use of First Class - Ive come >across it before and it keeps cropping up - does any one have a URL for its >home page on the web? http://www.softarc.com (Though I'm having trouble accessing the site at present) Quite a few community networks in the US and Europe use FirstClass by SoftArc. It is also used by the Open University and many corporates for Intranets. You need (free) client software, then when you log on to a server either direct dial or via the Net you get what is rather like a new Mac or Windows desktop, with messages organised in folders/directories. These are called conferences. You can attach files to messages. Latest developments include making conferences readable through a Web browser. At the same time, it works with low end machines running only DOS. I like FirstClass - it provides a friendly, well organised environment for messaging. Anyone else interested - had experience? I know a few networks using FirstClass, and I'm sure we could organise demo access. Regards David -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Nov 16 12:38:37 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xX3y2-0003DX-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:38:22 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xX3y0-0003DS-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:38:21 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2025345; 16 Nov 97 12:31 GMT Message-ID: <65gTGGABdub0Ew1c@geoffw.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:29:53 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: Community networking resources site In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message , David Wilcox writes >Anyone else interested - had experience? I know a few networks using >FirstClass, and I'm sure we could organise demo access. Yes please...That would be very useful! -- #################################################################### # Geoff Walker | Tel/Fax: +44 191 510 1608 | UIN: 2641722 # # Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk # # WWW: www.newnet.org.uk | www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm # #################################################################### From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Nov 17 15:29:48 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXT6f-0003o6-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:28:57 +0000 Received: from MCR1.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXT6X-0003o1-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:28:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:27:21 +0100 GMT From: INFO.UNLIMITED@MCR1.poptel.org.uk Subject: Re: telecottage To: conet@ukco.org.uk Message-Id: <1197201488MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi, You asked: >Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a Telecottage? Is there some >other term for it in the U.S.? As far as I can make out, the US equivalent of the telecottage is a community technology centre, which has an association called CTCNet, with a web site www.ctcnet.org/ where you could go and find out further information, including CTCs in your area. Hope this helps, Debbie Ellen From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Nov 17 20:39:50 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXXxA-0003sp-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:39:28 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXXx4-0003se-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:39:23 +0000 Received: from default (dialup2-04.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.132]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA21490 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:37:20 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971117202737.007c4940@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: cdf@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:27:37 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Kevin Harris Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971111210552.007f3cd0@geo2.poptel.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk colleagues, another thought on michael's posting. I have always had doubts (since I was a humble student of librarianship hundreds of years ago) about the notion that 'services' should be based on stated needs, unless you build in clever interpretive devices for identifying unperceived and unexpressed need. Surely the point about 'telling / not telling' communities what they need is that people in communities should have the same opportunities as anyone else to exploit the power of this technology for (a) communication and expression, (b) getting hold of information, and (c) using and sharing information. It just happens that lots of us think there's a good chance that empowerment, personal development, community development, increased participation in democracy etc etc is likely to follow once folk get their hands on this stuff ... but as yet we've not done a great deal to demonstrate that convincingly. (In one sense, there's no desperate panic: we've had a few hundred years of print technology and no-one's convinced me that literacy has transformed power relations... Sorry, being provocative there) best kevin At 21:05 11/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >Dear All, >Ann Holmes, our events organiser, has already mailed you about the exciting >programme we will be running in York on 16th and 17th December. This is to >give you some background, so that you can see how it will benefit you to >join with us. > >As you know, UK Communities Online is all about putting the new media >technologies into the hands of local communities. If we are to succeed in >this, whether at a national or a local level, we need to be clear as to >what are the key online services that local communities need.=20 > >For instance, at the moment I am telling people that what communities need >is:=20 >=B7 A well-organised 'gateway' on the Web signposting information, online >services and access points in the area >=B7 Strategic action to ensure that all sections of the community have= access >to the technology, with appropriate training and support. >=B7 The ability to "do business" locally, including paying council Tax, >booking appointments with GPs etc. >=B7 Democracy Online. A community conferencing system providing public= space >for information and discussion, with inputs to local authorities and >agencies where these are online. >=B7 Support for small businesses, community and voluntary organisations and >special interest groups to enable them to use the new technology= effectively. > >What have I missed out that you think is of vital importance? Is there >anything listed that could well be left out Can you think of a better way >of clustering the different ideas together? > >In York we will be look at these issues together so that we can come to a >concensus. This will ensure that we have a solid basis for the map and >charter that will be the focus of the UKCO campaign. However, it will also >help us individually in our work in developing services for local communities. > >York will also give us the opportunity to further develop practical >applications we can start to work on collaboratively over the next few >months to save each of us from having to work through issues in isolation. > >The two days will be hard work, but I hope that each one of us will take >away many useful ideas to the projects in which we are engaged. > >Ann will be mailing out the registration forms in a few days. > >See you in York!! >Michael Mulquin >Aston Community Involvement Unit/UK Communities Online >Durning Hall, >Forest Gate, >London E7 9AB, >England >Tel +44 (0)181 519 2244 >Fax +44 (0)181 519 5472 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kevin Harris Community Development Foundation 'If we treat information as a commodity, we'll find we can't afford it. If we treat it as a resource, we'll realise we can't do without it.' 60 Highbury Grove, London N5 2AG ... tel 0171 226 5375 ... fax 0171 704 0313 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Nov 17 20:39:54 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXXx9-0003sk-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:39:27 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXXx3-0003sd-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:39:22 +0000 Received: from default (dialup2-04.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.132]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA21485 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:37:13 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971117203056.007cac70@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: cdf@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:30:56 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Kevin Harris Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971111210552.007f3cd0@geo2.poptel.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk colleagues sorry not to have chipped in my 2 ecu's worth on this one before, have been busy finishing a couple of papers which both happen to be relevant to what michael has started: so I'll offer a couple of quotes from each, just to contribute to the thinking. The first two are from a chapter for a book (remember books?) on info management in the vol sector; the last two are from the forthcoming COMMIT report, sorry no title yet, on community-based IT initiatives, which I have been preparing with Peter Day ... Apologies for this being so long, but most of what I have been writing is relevant to this debate ... and I don't post very often ... Hope to see you in york kevin 'From the information management perspective, what do we mean by 'strong' or 'healthy' communities? In a democratic society we should expect people in communities: =B7 to be fully informed about local issues which affect them, and about opportunities to participate in the decision-making processes which affect them; =B7 to have easy access to sources of such information and to channels of communication with relevant authorities; =B7 to have opportunities and access to appropriate media for publishing their own information and for communicating with others. An integrated community will show these features.' 'Above all, perhaps, it is important to recognise that information shared by people in communities probably does not map neatly onto perceptions of 'need to know'.=20 Certainly people will have their own perceived information needs - 'who knows a reliable plumber? who can look after my children on Wednesday afternoons?' = -=20 but a high proportion of their information income, as we have noted, will be coincidental, partial, unauthenticated, and partisan. In such contexts, the notion of information as some kind of 'product' delivered by a 'service' has only limited applicability. It may be that many attempts to run community information services have been relatively unsuccessful because of the difficulty of integrating a formal service with the dynamic informality of the neighbourhood communication networks.' 'There are four points which we wish to make about the tradition to which these projects belong. First, community resource centres are not new - indeed they were widespread in the 1970s and 1980s as activists sought to exploit reprographic technology for community benefit. One of the key lessons from studies at the time was that such a community facility uncovered the need for general support work: 'Most of the resource centres found themselves taking on much more neighbourhood work than they could really manage. Although they were designed originally to supplement neighbourhood-based community work, they often had to do it themselves - because of the lack of local resources and the variety of needs thrown up by increased community activity on all kinds of issues. Eventually they were forced to find other ways of tackling demand from individual groups - and the solution lay in helping groups to help each other through networks.' (5) The centres in question were mostly large facilities serving a region or city (south Wales, Manchester, Leeds, etc). Most CRCs, particularly the more local ones, have a drop-in function and tend to be recognised as a place to which local people are attracted, a place they go to with their concerns and their ideas or just for a chat, a place where they choose to spend some time, because it is non-threatening and may give them a sense of belonging. The local 'reach' and geographical scope of CRCs is an important issue for further research, which should take account of the experience of public libraries, schools and shops for instance. Questions are raised by the findings of a survey of users of the Powys telecentres in Wales, an extensive network serving small rural communities. It was found that 80% of users lived within walking distance - only 5.7% were travelling over 5 miles.(6) Secondly, there is within this tradition, another thread comprising community computing projects. Many of these will have been established in the mid 1980s with the advent of inexpensive stand-alone computers. As organisations of all kinds gradually adopted computer technology, the demand focussed very much on training and the acquisition of skills for employment. Projects such as the Barton Hill Workshop in Bristol and the Burley Lodge Centre in Leeds earned considerable reputations for their training in computer skills in their communities. The fact that neither was quick to change to being a public access point for the information highway is an indication, we suspect, of the unproven economics of the latter role. It seems to be hard to sustain an initiative which offers online access, without considerable subsidy of some kind, where the demand is uncertain. Thirdly, tribute must be paid to the early vision and experience of teleservice centres in Scandinavia. In the UK, the development of telecottages owes much to the work of the TCA (the Telework, Telecottage and Telecentre Assocation). Another, more recent development has been the coordination of 'Local Support Centres' by the government's Information Society Initiative. These are centres aimed at small businesses, providing a mix of demonstration, advice, training and services.(7) The fourth point to be made about the tradition of resource centres is that while they appear to reflect a clear and widespread social need, they have featured only fitfully in social policy. Centres which in the 1970s might be offering reprographic facilities for a women's group and helping to establish a newsletter for residents on a housing estate were unlikely ever to gain sufficient status in the eyes of policy-makers to survive any reduction in local government expenditure.' At 21:05 11/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >Dear All, >Ann Holmes, our events organiser, has already mailed you about the exciting >programme we will be running in York on 16th and 17th December. This is to >give you some background, so that you can see how it will benefit you to >join with us. > >As you know, UK Communities Online is all about putting the new media >technologies into the hands of local communities. If we are to succeed in >this, whether at a national or a local level, we need to be clear as to >what are the key online services that local communities need.=20 > >For instance, at the moment I am telling people that what communities need >is:=20 >=B7 A well-organised 'gateway' on the Web signposting information, online >services and access points in the area >=B7 Strategic action to ensure that all sections of the community have= access >to the technology, with appropriate training and support. >=B7 The ability to "do business" locally, including paying council Tax, >booking appointments with GPs etc. >=B7 Democracy Online. A community conferencing system providing public= space >for information and discussion, with inputs to local authorities and >agencies where these are online. >=B7 Support for small businesses, community and voluntary organisations and >special interest groups to enable them to use the new technology= effectively. > >What have I missed out that you think is of vital importance? Is there >anything listed that could well be left out Can you think of a better way >of clustering the different ideas together? > >In York we will be look at these issues together so that we can come to a >concensus. This will ensure that we have a solid basis for the map and >charter that will be the focus of the UKCO campaign. However, it will also >help us individually in our work in developing services for local communities. > >York will also give us the opportunity to further develop practical >applications we can start to work on collaboratively over the next few >months to save each of us from having to work through issues in isolation. > >The two days will be hard work, but I hope that each one of us will take >away many useful ideas to the projects in which we are engaged. > >Ann will be mailing out the registration forms in a few days. > >See you in York!! >Michael Mulquin >Aston Community Involvement Unit/UK Communities Online >Durning Hall, >Forest Gate, >London E7 9AB, >England >Tel +44 (0)181 519 2244 >Fax +44 (0)181 519 5472 > > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 18 12:23:56 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXmgb-00048L-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:23:21 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXmgZ-00048G-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:23:19 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2023322; 18 Nov 97 12:04 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:56:21 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971117202737.007c4940@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <3.0.1.32.19971117202737.007c4940@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk>, Kevin Harris writes >colleagues, >another thought on michael's posting. I have always had doubts (since I >was a humble student of librarianship hundreds of years ago) about the >notion that 'services' should be based on stated needs, unless you build in >clever interpretive devices for identifying unperceived and unexpressed >need. Surely the point about 'telling / not telling' communities what they >need is that people in communities should have the same opportunities as >anyone else to exploit the power of this technology for (a) communication >and expression, (b) getting hold of information, and (c) using and sharing >information. It just happens that lots of us think there's a good chance >that empowerment, personal development, community development, increased >participation in democracy etc etc is likely to follow once folk get their >hands on this stuff ... but as yet we've not done a great deal to >demonstrate that convincingly. (In one sense, there's no desperate panic: >we've had a few hundred years of print technology and no-one's convinced me >that literacy has transformed power relations... Sorry, being provocative >there Statement: The *pioneers of the electronic communications frontier* are inhibited by an antiquated system of representative democracy which inhibits the development of participative democracy by its very nature. -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 18 12:58:45 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXnEp-000494-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:58:43 +0000 Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.206.136] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXnEn-00048z-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:58:41 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id HAA06034 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:56:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:54:07 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: Re: telecottage To: Communities Online UK Message-ID: <199711180754_MC2-2897-8D26@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk There's a glossary of telework terms included in the European Commission'= s annual status report Telework97, online at http://www.eto.org.uk/twork/tw97eto and a FAQ: <> in the telework FAQs at: http://www.eto.org.uk/resource.htm#faqs I hope this is helpful. There are some 100 telecottages/telecentres in membership of the UK TCA (Telework, Telecentres and Telecottages Association). Best wishes, Horace Mitchell European Telework Development http://www.eto.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 18 21:38:10 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXvKX-0004Hg-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:37:09 +0000 Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.217.136] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXvKV-0004Hb-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:37:07 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id QAA14683 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:35:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:34:45 -0500 From: Alan Denbigh Subject: Re: telecottage To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199711181634_MC2-28A7-5476@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk There is also a map of the 150 or so centres which identify with the term= telecottage or telecentre (we ask them to provide computer and other equipment hire, training, and small business support in order to go on t= he map). Have a look on our site www.tca.org.uk for the map.... Regards Alan Denbigh Exec Director, TCA -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------------------------------- TCA - The Telework, Telecottage and Telecentre Association Membership Enquiries 0800 616008 (Outside UK + 44 1203 696986) Executive Director on tel 01453 834874 fax 01453 836174 Email 100272.3137@compuserve.com Web : http://www.tca.org.co.uk The TCA is a member of the European Telework Development Project (ETD) The TCA is an Information Society Initiative (ISI) partner -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------------------------------ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 18 22:10:13 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXvqS-0004IV-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:10:08 +0000 Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xXvqQ-0004IQ-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:10:07 +0000 Received: from Chris.coventry.org.uk (chris.coventry.org.uk [195.194.23.50]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20740 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:08:57 GMT Message-Id: <199711182208.WAA20740@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chris Studman" Organization: Ecosaurus To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:10:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: Re: Community networking resources site In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hello Gunter I'm curious to know about the figures you quote re the 8,000 users / 2nd largest network. Is there a list somewhere on the net that shows these figures? Chris > From: "G=FCnter J. Woltron" > To: david@communities.org.uk > Cc: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, co-europe@loud-n= -clear.com > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:55:46 +0100 > Subject: Re: Community networking resources site > Organization: magnet Online Service > Reply-to: conet@ukco.org.uk > hello everybody, > > we had a stimulating 5-year-anniversary-party of the europe`s > secondlargest nonprofit city network (almost 8000 regular user) - > it=B4s the Viennese BLACK.BOX. Based on First Class, they are now also > opening the WWW for their user. > "Satellite-Boxes" are in Budapest and Brussels. > > Coop. with the EACN is of course desired, we also try "things" to > promote. > > greetings from Vienna, Gunter > > Chris Studman Editor CWN - The Coventry and Warwickshire Network Tel: 01203 630476 Fax: 01203 630518 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 20 10:29:40 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYTr4-0004uO-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:29:02 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYTr2-0004uJ-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:29:00 +0000 Received: from barnsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.171.52]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2021274; 20 Nov 97 10:12 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971120085444.00954db0@sdps.demon.co.uk> X-Sender: Barnsley@sdps.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:55:17 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Grimethorpe EVH Subject: Re: Community networking resources site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk At 22:10 18/11/97 GMT, you wrote: >Hello Gunter > >I'm curious to know about the figures you quote re the 8,000 users /=20 >2nd largest network. > >Is there a list somewhere on the net that shows these figures? > >Chris > >> From: "G=FCnter J. Woltron" >> To: david@communities.org.uk >> Cc: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, co-europe@loud-n-clear.com >> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:55:46 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Community networking resources site >> Organization: magnet Online Service >> Reply-to: conet@ukco.org.uk > >> hello everybody,=20 >> =20 >> we had a stimulating 5-year-anniversary-party of the europe`s=20 >> secondlargest nonprofit city network (almost 8000 regular user) -=20 >> it=B4s the Viennese BLACK.BOX. Based on First Class, they are now also=20 >> opening the WWW for their user. =20 >> "Satellite-Boxes" are in Budapest and Brussels.=20 >> =20 >> Coop. with the EACN is of course desired, we also try "things" to=20 >> promote.=20 >> =20 >> greetings from Vienna, Gunter=20 >>=20 >>=20 >Chris Studman >Editor >CWN - The Coventry and Warwickshire Network >Tel: 01203 630476 Fax: 01203 630518 > >hello Chris we wondered as well, perhaps its like some colleges that promote 40000 hits to their site in reality their home page is set on netscape ??? P.S about dealings with planet, perhaps we need a chat, all is not rosy in the garden of eden!! regards Archie From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 20 18:23:19 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYbFc-000511-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:22:52 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYbFb-00050w-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:22:51 +0000 Received: from Michael.newtel.org.uk ([151.133.225.6]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with SMTP id SAA05048 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:21:35 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971120181756.00848840@geo2.poptel.org.uk> X-Sender: aston-ciu@geo2.poptel.org.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:17:56 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Michael Mulquin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear all, Here is a nice quote about the elements needed locally to ensure that the technology is in the hands of local communities: "Three elements will combine to create sustainable communities online: content relevant to the members, communication between the members, and commerce that serves the interests of the members." This is a quote from "Locals" a weekly email newsletter - "EXAMINING THE EVOLUTION OF COMMUNITIES ONLINE" with an Irish focus. To join or leave, please send an email to locals-request@local.ie, with only the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the body of the message. Take care! Michael Mulquin Aston Community Involvement Unit/UK Communities Online Durning Hall, Forest Gate, London E7 9AB, England Tel +44 (0)181 519 2244 Fax +44 (0)181 519 5472 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 20 21:01:28 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYdiv-00053r-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:01:17 +0000 Received: from mailsrv.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.3] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYdis-00053m-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:01:15 +0000 Received: from Chris.coventry.org.uk (chris.coventry.org.uk [195.194.23.50]) by mailsrv.hiway.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA07096 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:00:11 GMT Message-Id: <199711202100.VAA07096@mailsrv.hiway.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chris Studman" Organization: Ecosaurus To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:01:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! In-reply-to: <1.5.4.16.19971112105649.3237c3ea@foobar.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I think the business issue is becoming ever more important. The model that we at CWN (http://www.coventry.org.uk) are following is one, by necessity, of business sustainability. We are learning fast! I hope to be at York and will be happy to talk with anyone there with similar experiences (or not!) Chris Studman > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:45 GMT > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > From: Trevor Locke > > I would like the conference to debate the pros and cons of local projects > running as buisnesses, being commercially successful and making profits that > are then covenanted back into the project. I would like to see some > on-lines run as community businesses, being independently sustainable and > not permantly with thier hand in the public purse. > > To me sustainability is all about leaving grant aid behind and becoming > self-sustaining as a community business. > > But I would like an opportunity to debate that orientation with those who > would not agree with it. > > regards > > Trevor Locke Chris Studman Ecosaurus 210 Broadgate House, Broadgate, Coventry CV1 1NG UK Tel: 01203 630476 Fax: 01203 630518 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 20 21:35:47 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYeGF-00054V-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:35:43 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYeG7-00054Q-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:35:36 +0000 Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id MAA11555; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:40:39 GMT From: wren.admin@midnet.com (WREN Admin) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: M.Partis@midnet.com, conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Re: Community networking resources site Date: 20 Nov 1997 14:46:58 GMT Message-Id: <3160539102.112388644@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Here is a summary of our experience with FirstClass: WRENConnect (running now for more than 2 years) ------------------------------------- This is the email service sold to WREN users and also used to support other groups (eg British Assoc for Open Learning, RuralNet etc). This is set up as a direct dial server (you don't need an Internet account to use it). It supports global email and conferencing (these are used to support discussions or act as 'libraries' of information). The client software is free and is available for the PC and the Mac. The latest version of the client (v3.5) supports offline working on the Mac and Windows 95. Windows 3.11 users will need to use a 3rd party offline reader (called OffRoad - this is shareware). There is also an excellent alternative offline reader for the Mac called BulkRate. The system is incredibly easy to use - the biggest barrier is (unfortunately) logging on for the first time (configuring modems etc etc). File transfers that are interrupted (accidentally or on purpose) can be re-started later and they begin from where they last left off. Another key function is the 'History' function which allows you to see who has read, downloaded, forwarded etc etc any item on the system. This is crucial when using these systems, especially with non-IT buffs - how else do you know that you are getting through? RegioNet Project Mangement Server (started in Feb 1996) ------------------------------------------ This FirstClass server was set up to assist with the management of the RegioNet project which involves 34 organisations in 9 different countries. The server runs on a Mac LCIII (very old!) and is plugged into the Internet at Warwick University. Since installing the system we have been to look at it once and the staff at Warwick University have not touched it. That is how reliable it is. This server does not support direct dial in. Users access it over a TCP/IP link. So, you run the same FC client software configured for TCP/IP. All the same functions are supported as described above. Latest developments -------------- SoftArc, who produce the FirstClass System (see http://www.softarc.com/) have released FCIS - the FirstClass Intranet Server. This works in the same way as previous versions but incorporates a web server and enables users to access the email/conferencing services using a browser (any browser) in place of the FirstClass client. Obviously, for this to work the server has to be plugged into the Internet. We (NREC/WREN) are hoping have an FCIS system on the internet with support for direct dial in users as well in the near future. The server software is available for Windows NT and the PowerMac. I hope this helps! If you would like to see all configurations of the above working we are able to demonstrate them at the WREN Telecottage (next to the NREC) Simon (Berry) National Rural Enterprise Centre Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire CV8 2RR Tel: 01203 690691 Fax: 01203 696770 Email: s.berry@midnet.com From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Nov 21 09:57:27 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYppo-0005H7-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:57:12 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYppn-0005H2-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:57:11 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1014352; 21 Nov 97 9:49 GMT Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:48:39 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Three Elements In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971120181756.00848840@geo2.poptel.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <3.0.3.32.19971120181756.00848840@geo2.poptel.org.uk>, Michael Mulquin writes >"Three elements will combine to create sustainable communities online: >content relevant to the members, communication between the members, and >commerce that serves the interests of the members." What does the last one *mean*? -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Nov 21 18:06:27 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYxSJ-0005Ol-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:05:27 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYxSI-0005Og-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:05:26 +0000 Received: from Michael.newtel.org.uk ([151.133.225.6]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with SMTP id SAA09049 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:04:21 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971121175635.007f4340@geo2.poptel.org.uk> X-Sender: aston-ciu@geo2.poptel.org.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:56:35 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Michael Mulquin Subject: Re: Three Elements In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19971120181756.00848840@geo2.poptel.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk At 09:48 21/11/97 +0000, Geoff Walker wrote: >In message <3.0.3.32.19971120181756.00848840@geo2.poptel.org.uk>, >Michael Mulquin writes >>"Three elements will combine to create sustainable communities online: >>content relevant to the members, communication between the members, and >>commerce that serves the interests of the members." >What does the last one *mean*? >-- I of course am no authority since I only passed it on and can only guess what the author meant. ;-) However, here are some of my ideas: Within any community some commerce takes place within that community involving local shops and local small businesses. The value of that is that money is kept within the community, and local jobs and organisations are preserved. At the moment the commercial organisations that are taking advantage of the new media tend to be large chains such as Tesco etc and that as internet commerce starts to replace conventional shopping it might well tend to further attack local business and syphon funds from out of localities. By ensuring that local businesses are involved in local community networking initiatives, money and jobs can be kept local. This all has the added benefit of preserving and enhancing already existing relationships within the community. I already do some of my shopping locally and know the local shopkeepers. Sometimes it may be more convenient for me to shop electronically. By shopping electronically at the same shops where I shop "physically" I continue to maintain and develop my relationships with the shopkeepers. I have more trust in the electronic transactions and it is easier to sort out if anything goes wrong. What does anyone else think? Michael Mulquin Aston Community Involvement Unit/UK Communities Online Durning Hall, Forest Gate, London E7 9AB, England Tel +44 (0)181 519 2244 Fax +44 (0)181 519 5472 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Nov 21 18:45:02 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYy4R-0005PS-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:44:51 +0000 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xYy4P-0005PN-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:44:49 +0000 Received: from first-class (actually host ck344441u2l.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Internet (MMTA v2.2); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:43:45 +0000 From: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk (Peter Davis) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:42:13 -0000 Subject: Milton Keynes Community Network Message-ID: Organization: The Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Milton Keynes Community Network sits on the EMERG server at the Open University. This is now an FCIS First Class Server. If you would like to view the network its URL is: Http://Phoenix.open.ac.uk >From this page click on 'Sample Conferences' As a remote viewer you will not be able to go everywhere yet and you won't be able to see the mailbox area, but you should be able to get an idea. Peter Davis P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk EMERG Open University Walton Hall Milton Keynes MK7 6AA 01908 652145 (I am in Las Vegas until mid December but available on email) From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Nov 22 16:26:39 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZINY-0006Dy-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:25:56 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZINS-0006Dt-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:25:51 +0000 Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id QAA27212; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:15:35 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Subject: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network Date: 22 Nov 1997 13:21:03 GMT Message-Id: <4083544030.122999300@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Thanks Peter - this will be very useful - I will take a look. On FCIS - my feeling is that this version is good (mainly from the point of view that it provides good facilities that are difficult (=expensive and frustrating(!)) to provide using first principles in a 'pure' web environment). However, I think there are one or two things that need to be sorted for the next release eg: History information can take an age to download (using a web browser) and doesn't display 'as read' (ie you have wait until all information is downloaded before you see anything). This is not a problem tho' if you're using the FirstClass client in TCP/IP mode. I also have _some_ concerns about speed when accessing the server using a browser. What would your views on these observations be? Regards Simon 22/11/97 National Rural Enterprise Centre Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire CV8 2RR, UK Tel: +44 1203 690691 Fax: +44 1203 696770 Web: http://www.nrec.org.uk/ Sent via WRENConnect Online services of WREN Telecottage Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Nov 22 18:35:25 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZKO4-0006GJ-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:34:36 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZKO2-0006GE-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:34:35 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.182] (dialup2-48.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.176]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10149; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:32:10 GMT Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:32:10 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4083544030.122999300@midnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network Cc: M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk The new Web-accessible version of FirstClass is certainly impressive - thanks for the reference Peter. >From the demo it appears that a system will allow for two classes of user: - Those who register, and probably pay a subscription for the full service and access to conferences using FirstClass client software or Web - Remote users, unregistered, who can view some conferences - as in the demo If that's the case, it could be an ideal addition to the emerging Communities Online communications system to help practitioners share information and work together. Currently we have a Web site, and these lists, but that's not necessarily ideal for sharing documents and collaborative working - where FirstClass is strongest. If we added in an FC system we would get more functions for those prepared to pay, yet still make some parts of the system open. We would also continue with the existing Web site and lists. What do you think? Regards David -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Nov 22 20:34:39 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZMFP-0006I8-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:33:47 +0000 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZMFN-0006I3-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:33:45 +0000 Received: from first-class (actually host ck344441u2l.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Internet (MMTA v2.2); Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:32:39 +0000 From: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk (Peter Davis) To: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Cc: david@communities.org.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:29:07 -0000 Subject: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network Message-ID: References: Organization: The Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:32:10 GMT The new Web-accessible version of FirstClass is certainly impressive - thanks for the reference Peter. >From the demo it appears that a system will allow for two classes of user: - Those who register, and probably pay a subscription for the full service and access to conferences using FirstClass client software or Web - Remote users, unregistered, who can view some conferences - as in the demo If that's the case, it could be an ideal addition to the emerging Communities Online communications system to help practitioners share information and work together. Currently we have a Web site, and these lists, but that's not necessarily ideal for sharing documents and collaborative working - where FirstClass is strongest. If we added in an FC system we would get more functions for those prepared to pay, yet still make some parts of the system open. We would also continue with the existing Web site and lists. What do you think? I absolutely agree David. Yes its possible to serve out a permission level as agreed to remote non member users. THe next version which is available now has even more capabilities evidentally. Also web links are supported on the client. SoftArc reckon the new server FC is the best pop server on the market at this present time (by a long way) If people want to go ahead with this, the next question is which server and timescale. I have some thoughts on this which may be of use, as is usually the case there are probably several scenarios.. I am in Las Vegas until mid December but am online. P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Best Wishes Peter From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Nov 22 20:41:52 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZMN9-0006IV-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:41:47 +0000 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZMN7-0006IQ-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:41:45 +0000 Received: from first-class (actually host ck344441u2l.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Internet (MMTA v2.2); Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:40:40 +0000 From: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk (Peter Davis) To: s.berry@midnet.com Cc: conet@ukco.org.uk, M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:38:47 -0000 Subject: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network Message-ID: References: <4083544030.122999300@midnet.com> Organization: The Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk s.berry@midnet.com,Internet writes: >From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) >Date: 22 Nov 1997 13:21:03 GMT >Thanks Peter - this will be very useful - I will take a look. >On FCIS - my feeling is that this version is good (mainly from the >point of >view that it provides good facilities that are difficult (=expensive and >frustrating(!)) to provide using first principles in a 'pure' web >environment). However, I think there are one or two things that need >to be >sorted for the next release eg: History information can take an age to >download (using a web browser) and doesn't display 'as read' (ie you >have >wait until all information is downloaded before you see anything). >This is >not a problem tho' if you're using the FirstClass client in TCP/IP mode. Some of the speed considerations relate to constraints independent of FCIS. There are a number of issues here but depending upon the outcomes of things in the pipeline at the moment, access speed from a WWW browser could improve. The latest version of FCIS I am given to understand from SoftArc last night is 'head and shoulders' an improvement on the one you've seen. The History consideration you mention I will be able to answer more fully on Monday. Sorry to be slightly vague, there are a lot of things in settling mode at the moment. Best Wishes Peter >I also have _some_ concerns about speed when accessing the server using >a >browser. >What would your views on these observations be? >Regards >Simon >22/11/97 >National Rural Enterprise Centre >Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire >CV8 2RR, UK >Tel: +44 1203 690691 >Fax: +44 1203 696770 >Web: http://www.nrec.org.uk/ >Sent via WRENConnect >Online services of WREN Telecottage >Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - >http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ >Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by >first-class.open.ac.uk with SMTP id MSGTTTQE; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:22:48 >GMT >Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by venus with SMTP Internet (MMTA >v2.2); Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:25:36 +0000 >Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk >(8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id QAA27212; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:15:35 GMT >From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) >Reply-To: s.berry@midnet.com >To: conet@ukco.org.uk >Cc: M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk >Subject: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network >Message-Id: <4083544030.122999300@midnet.com> >Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Nov 23 01:04:47 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZQTT-0006ML-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:04:35 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZQTR-0006MG-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:04:34 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA27367 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:03:26 GMT Message-ID: <34778DDA.4A33@foobar.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:58:50 -0800 From: Trevor Locke Organization: Event and Project Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Three Elements References: <3.0.3.32.19971120181756.00848840@geo2.poptel.org.uk> <3.0.3.32.19971121175635.007f4340@geo2.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Sustaining on-line communities is a considerable challenge and even though I doubt public funding provides a long term answer, visualising how they would run as community businesses also is challenge. Michael Mulquin wrote: > At the moment the commercial organisations that are taking > advantage of the new media tend to be large chains such as Tesco etc and > that as internet commerce starts to replace conventional shopping it might > well tend to further attack local business and syphon funds from out of > localities. Yes big retailing corporations are using the Internet but at UK level rather than at the level of local on-line communities. I would certainly like to hear if any local groups have succeeded in getting advertising or sponsorship from UK wide chains. I recently tried to sell advertising space for our locality web site (http://www.blaby.co.uk) to large computer retailing chain. The man I spoke to there said he wouldnt be interested in anything other than UK wide advertising. I think I will be more likely to attract the interest of small shops and businesses that want to market locally. I doubt that online shopping will threaten high street shops - in fact it might well enhance their passing trade with customers from further afield. If online shopping takes off (as we rank this highly in our list of development priorities) for high street outlets, that will strengthen their business turnover and not detract from it. > By ensuring that local businesses are involved in local > community networking initiatives, money and jobs can be kept local. This > all has the added benefit of preserving and enhancing already existing > relationships within the community. I agree with Michael on this point, providing that both the shops and the ISPs are local even if the customers are not. We want customers from the US, Europe and the rest of the UK to come to Blaby's hotels, buy from our shops, etc. just as others will want to sell to Blaby residents. We hope that we will achieve inward investment for Blaby businesses. >I already do some of my shopping > locally and know the local shopkeepers. Sometimes it may be more > convenient for me to shop electronically. By shopping electronically at > the same shops where I shop "physically" I continue to maintain and develop > my relationships with the shopkeepers. I have more trust in the electronic > transactions and it is easier to sort out if anything goes wrong. Yes this is true - people will come to trust online shopping just as they trust their bank's cash machines and credit card payments. I think your point about knowing retailers personally and trusting them with online payments is a good one - which we should use in developing local electronic commerce. Our local council provides no grants or economic support of any kind for anything, let alone the setting up of an online community. We will have to do it through business and commerce because there is no other source of funding. But our aim is provide the community with online resources by selling advertising space and the development of retailing facilities. Trevor Locke Project Manager Blaby on the Net From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Nov 23 19:26:45 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZhe3-0006bz-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:24:39 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZhdz-0006bu-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:24:36 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.182] (dialup2-03.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.131]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19939 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:22:42 GMT Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:22:42 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: York Workshop Reminder - Registration Urgent Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I have posted the message below along with a programme and registration form to the IACN list, so if you aim to come to York ( 2 December is the college's final date for details of attendees ), get your registration in now, to avoid disappointment! It will a key event in developing the campaign, and the tools and services we hope will benefit practitioners. Regards David Subject: Come to York and help develop the UKCO Campaign On December 16/17 UK Communities Online will be running a workshop in York for practitioners interested in helping develop the campaign being launched next March to promote community networking.The workshop is being organised by Ann Holmes of Partners in Change. =46irst news of the campaign was given at at a one-day event for practitioners in August. Since then a team led by Michael Mulquin and David Wilcox have been developing the campaign outlined at http://www.communities.org.uk. These pages will be updated over the coming weeks. To join a mailing list about campaign development mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk the message: subscribe conet. The workshop has already been announced there, but we have some places left and are keen to offer the opportunity to others who may be interested - the deadline for registration is 2 December 1997. Campaign start up is being funded by the Department of Trade and Industry, and IBM have recently agreed a three-year programme of support including funding, equipment and the part time secondment of Samantha Hellawell. Campaign proposals include: * An online database and map of projects throughout the UK, providing a showcase for their plans and achievements. The campaign aims to help 'fill in' the map over three years. * A community networking charter, setting out facilities which citizens might reasonably expect in their area. * A toolkit of technical and others materials, on the Internet and in print, for anyone starting a local project. * An Anywhere Online demonstration * A design game which will help different interests in an area plan their online community. * A communications system for practitioners to share experience more * A programme of workshops and seminars and an annual conference As the programme below shows, the focus, in York, will be on development of = the campaign tools, rather than a wider discussion of community networking. It will be a practical and intensive discussion. We will also be looking at two priority areas for the campaign: community resource centres and Digital Villages. UKCO - Workshop for Practitioners University College of Ripon and York, St John 16/17 December 1997 PROGRAMME As indicated in the above update, UKCO has made significant progress over the past weeks, and has now received substantial backing from IBM, as well as from the DTI. The workshop will be run to ensure maximum participation of all present, and will focus on the development of the campaign tools and priority areas. These are: : * the game being developed by Drew Mackie * the map and charter being developed by Claire Shearman * the toolkit being developed by David Wilcox * digital villages * resource centres By the close of the workshop, the products and the approach to the areas on which attention is being focused should have developed significantly - As the programme indicates, there will also be an opportunity to share the findings of the evaluation of the Newcastle upon Tyne Newnet Project Tuesday 16 December 12.00 Registration and Check-in 13.00 Lunch 13.45 Update on the UKCO campaign 14.00 Testing the map and charter 15.30 Tea 16.00 Continue testing the map and charter 17.30 Feedback from testing sessions 18.00 Free time 19.30 Dinner 21.00 Newnet Evaluation Report Wednesday 17 December 8.30 Testing the game 10.00 Feedback from game testing 10.30 Coffee 11.00 Testing the toolkit 12.30 Feedback from testing session 13.00 Lunch 14.00 Resource Centres 14.45 Digital Villages 15.30 Tea 16.00 Pulling the strands together 16.30 Next steps in the campaign 17.30 Close UKCO - Workshop for Practitioners University of Ripon and York, St. John, 16/17 December 1997 REGISTRATION FORM If you are an organisation with more than one delegate attending, please copy and fill in a form for each attendee, but forward the total registration fee on one cheque.Online registration forms should be returned to pic@pavilion.co.uk Given Name..................................................................= =2E. 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Category of payment ( Please delete as appropriate) ( sums include the costs of all meals and accommodation) *local voluntary project(=A329.37 - =A325 + =A34.37 VAT) *national voluntary or academic sector (=A358.75 - =A350 + =A38.75 VAT) *local authority (=A388.12 - =A375 + =A313.12 VAT) *corporate (=A3117.50 - =A3100 + =A317.50 VAT) I have forwarded a registration fee for .... places @ =A3 TOTAL =A3 Please see below for financial guidance notes and return registration form(s) to pic@pavilion.co.uk and fee(s) to: Partners in Change, 13 Pelham Square, Brighton BN1 4ET Tel: +44())1273 677378 Fax: +44(0)1273 677379 email: pic@pavilion.co.uk =46inancial Guidance Notes Cheques should be made payable to: Aston Charities Trust Ltd There will be no refunds for cancellations at this event -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Nov 23 22:22:54 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZkQR-0006f3-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:22:47 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZkQM-0006ey-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:22:42 +0000 Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id WAA26850; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:15:13 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network Date: 23 Nov 1997 19:31:48 GMT Message-Id: <4083544030.129711348@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Peter Davies wrote: > Some of the speed considerations relate to constraints independent of > FCIS. There are a number of issues here but depending upon the outcomes > of things in the pipeline at the moment, access speed from a WWW > browser could improve. The latest version of FCIS I am given to > understand from SoftArc last night is 'head and shoulders' an > improvement on the one you've seen. The History consideration you > mention I will be able to answer more fully on Monday. Please keep us informed of developments Peter - I am on version 3 of a business plan which I am hopeful will lead to us having a FCIS system up in January (the original target was October!!). So up-to-the-minute information is of particular value. Having looked at all the options for putting a server on the Internet, the most cost effective _for_us_ is to have two mirrored servers: one at our ISP and the other at our offices to support our existing (and future) dial-in users. I have the FCIS adminstrator's manual and can see no way of replicating 'mailboxes' (conferences are no problem). Is it possible to mirror (or replicate) mailboxes or, in the above mirrored servers scenario, would users have to decide at the outset whether they want to be a dial-in or TCP/IP user? Regards Simon 23/11/97 National Rural Enterprise Centre Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire CV8 2RR, UK Tel: +44 1203 690691 Fax: +44 1203 696770 Web: http://www.nrec.org.uk/ Sent via WRENConnect Online services of WREN Telecottage Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Nov 24 08:46:44 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZuA3-0006q1-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:46:31 +0000 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xZuA1-0006pw-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:46:30 +0000 Received: from first-class (actually host ck344441u2l.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Internet (MMTA v2.2); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:45:25 +0000 From: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk (Peter Davis) To: s.berry@midnet.com Cc: conet@ukco.org.uk, M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:43:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network Message-ID: References: <4083544030.129711348@midnet.com> Organization: The Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk s.berry@midnet.com,Internet writes: >From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) >Date: 23 Nov 1997 19:31:48 GMT >Peter Davies wrote: >> Some of the speed considerations relate to constraints independent of >> FCIS. There are a number of issues here but depending upon the >outcomes >> of things in the pipeline at the moment, access speed from a WWW >> browser could improve. The latest version of FCIS I am given to >> understand from SoftArc last night is 'head and shoulders' an >> improvement on the one you've seen. The History consideration you >> mention I will be able to answer more fully on Monday. >Please keep us informed of developments Peter - I am on version 3 of a >business plan which I am hopeful will lead to us having a FCIS system >up in >January (the original target was October!!). So up-to-the-minute >information >is of particular value. >Having looked at all the options for putting a server on the Internet, >the >most cost effective _for_us_ is to have two mirrored servers: one at >our ISP >and the other at our offices to support our existing (and future) >dial-in >users. I have the FCIS adminstrator's manual and can see no way of >replicating 'mailboxes' (conferences are no problem). Is it possible to >mirror (or replicate) mailboxes or, in the above mirrored servers >scenario, >would users have to decide at the outset whether they want to be a >dial-in or >TCP/IP user? >Regards >Simon >23/11/97 Simon How many users are you planning for? Many of our users use both TCP and dial in. I am attending an FCIS training session over next couple of days so if you have a list of questions, pass them on. Best Wishes Peter From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 25 04:11:55 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaCLE-00079B-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:11:16 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaCL7-000796-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:11:10 +0000 Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id UAA17427; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:42:37 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network Date: 24 Nov 1997 19:57:03 GMT Message-Id: <4083544030.134908224@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Peter > How many users are you planning for? 250 immediately - 550 by the end of year 3 > Many of our users use both TCP and dial in. And I think that given the option many of our users would want this flexibility. I can see no problem with this if they are 'registered' on one server which supports both dial-in and TCP/IP access, but in our case we will have two servers (one on the internet with no dial-in facility; one with the dial-in facility only). > I am attending an FCIS training session over next couple of days so if > you have a list of questions, pass them on. Well, the one question I have is the mirroring mailboxes one I have already posed - which goes like this: Server one is linked to the internet and supports TCP/IP access only. Server two is not linked to the internet and support dial-in only. All conferences on server one are mirrored (replicated) on server two and vice versa (we are thinking of doing this every 30mins during th working day). Can mailboxes on server one be mirrored (replicated) on both servers so that any one user can switch between TCP/IP access and dial-in access? The other relates to upgrade policy: Are free upgrades available to customers who bought FCIS recently? And if so how recent is recently!? Regards Simon 24/11/97 National Rural Enterprise Centre Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire CV8 2RR, UK Tel: +44 1203 690691 Fax: +44 1203 696770 Web: http://www.nrec.org.uk/ Sent via WRENConnect Online services of WREN Telecottage Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 25 16:50:01 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaOA3-0007Ko-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:48:31 +0000 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaO9w-0007Kj-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:48:29 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA20216 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:47:22 GMT Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id KAA04347 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:08:43 GMT From: wren.admin@midnet.com (WREN Admin) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! Date: 24 Nov 1997 20:46:20 GMT Message-Id: <2431516671.137831656@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Trevor wrote >At Rugby I found tensions between those who had >anti-commercial anti-business values, who saw communities in rather romantic >and purist terms, who couldnt stomach the idea of getting money from >advertising for local projects - who wanted a purely public sector - rather >modernist - set of values to dominate local practice. >Not everyone agrees with this orientation. Im infavour of working with the >private sector, of having a well oiled business support function within local on-line projects, of using commercial interests to fund charitable, non-profit activities. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 25 16:54:00 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaOFL-0007LM-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:53:59 +0000 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaOFD-0007LH-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:53:51 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21330 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:52:52 GMT Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id KAA04340; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:08:42 GMT From: wren.admin@midnet.com (WREN Admin) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: M.Partis@midnet.com, conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Re: Come to York, 16 and 17 December!! Date: 24 Nov 1997 20:45:03 GMT Message-Id: <2431516671.137831560@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi all at co-net May see you at York - still juggling commitments. But I'll be at the COMMIT seminar. I've had my head down recently - including changing jobs from Manager of WREN to Project Development Manager for the NREC - which doesn't mean a lot except I don't have to anwer the phone all day and don't have to feel guilty about taking so much time out of WREN for strategic stuff. In my new role I'll still be developing projects for WREN as well as NREC, and implementing them too I expect - so no change there either! Have caught up on all my Conet reading - can I now ask for a change of email contact from WREN@midnet to"j.berry @midnet.com" so it comes straight to me? The main reason for getting round to replying to all the interesting threads is to wholeheartedly back Trevor's comments - Trevor Locke writes: > At Rugby I found tensions between those who had anti-commercial anti-business values, who saw communities in rather romantic and purist terms, who couldnt stomach the idea of getting money from advertising for local projects - who wanted a purely public sector - rather modernist - set of values to dominate local practice. >Not everyone agrees with this orientation. Im infavour of working with the private sector, of having a well oiled business support function within local on-line projects, of using commercial interests to fund charitable, non-profit activities. .. comments which mirror WREN's thinking and development over the last five years. If WREN can make it work in a very unfavourable location (community wise), then I am sure others can. I can't help thinking that community/business divisions are not very helpful: small businesses _are_ part of the community and big business should be! Also agree with other remarks in this thread that we shouldn't just look to eg Libraries to fix Public Access - especially important for rural areas where there may not be a library. What goes on in the "public access venue" is more important than what it _is_ (school, library, telecentre, village hall, village shop? pub? church?) Let's build on what facilities communities already have - so a new service will make what is there viable. No point in having a brand new Community Resource Centre if the primary school/post office closes. Only trouble is, this pov often requires a change of attitude/lateral thinking! Jane Berry From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Nov 25 20:57:40 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaS2Q-0007R1-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:56:54 +0000 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xaS2O-0007Qw-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:56:52 +0000 Received: from first-class (actually host ck344441u2l.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Internet (MMTA v2.2); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:54:18 +0000 From: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk (Peter Davis) To: s.berry@midnet.com Cc: conet@ukco.org.uk, M.Partis@midnet.com, P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:51:31 -0000 Subject: Re: Milton Keynes Community Network Message-ID: References: <4083544030.134908224@midnet.com> Organization: The Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Simon >And I think that given the option many of our users would want this >flexibility. I can see no problem with this if they are 'registered' on >one >server which supports both dial-in and TCP/IP access, but in our case >we will >have two servers (one on the internet with no dial-in facility; one >with the >dial-in facility only). >Server one is linked to the internet and supports TCP/IP access only. >Server two is not linked to the internet and support dial-in only. >All conferences on server one are mirrored (replicated) on server two >and >vice versa (we are thinking of doing this every 30mins during th working >day). >Can mailboxes on server one be mirrored (replicated) on both servers so >that >any one user can switch between TCP/IP access and dial-in access? Both your servers are replicated. Users can link to either one by whichever means it makes no difference. Regular users can connect any way, remote users can connect by modem or TCP-IP >The other relates to upgrade policy: >Are free upgrades available to customers who bought FCIS recently? And >if so >how recent is recently!? I don't know, best to talk to SoftArc sales. Look at SoftArc on WWW or call Principle (the FC distributers) in Middlesex...I don't have their number on me. Regards Peter From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 27 01:17:52 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xasZs-00006a-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:17:12 +0000 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xasZn-00006U-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:17:07 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA12064 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:16:13 GMT Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA14503 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:15:28 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Libraries and CRCs Date: 26 Nov 1997 22:55:14 GMT Message-Id: <2962489342.145951466@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Here is something for Librarians to get excited about! Peter Day and Kevin Harris' paper on 'Community Based Initiatives and Social Inclusion' presented at the COMMIT Seminar today (26/11/97) expresses a concern that more libraries are not providing Community Resource Centre-type services. Could this be because they are publicly funded (and already providing a good service to many members of their community)? Does public funding stifle innovation? Does public funding ease the pressure to constantly review your activity and respond (in a timely fashion) to community needs? Regards Simon 26/11/97 National Rural Enterprise Centre Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire CV8 2RR, UK Tel: +44 1203 690691 Fax: +44 1203 696770 Web: http://www.nrec.org.uk/ Sent via WRENConnect Online services of WREN Telecottage Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Nov 27 01:17:52 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xasZw-00006g-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:17:16 +0000 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xasZn-00006V-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:17:11 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA12068 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:16:14 GMT Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA14509 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:15:30 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Strategy for CRCs Date: 26 Nov 1997 22:55:45 GMT Message-Id: <3971547134.145951531@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Peter Day and Kevin Harris' paper on 'Community Based Initiatives and Social Inclusion' presented at the COMMIT Seminar today (26/11/97) by Peter is compulsory reading! Is it available anywhere online? I agree with 99% of what is said in the report and with the sentiment of two of the main conclusions: 1) Community Resource Centres (CRCs) should be publicly funded; 2) CRCs should be developed, owned and managed by the communities they serve. However . . . It is generally agreed that there is no one model for CRCs so let's not fall into the trap of thinking that all CRCs should nw be publicly funded and have active involvement of the community in their development, ownership and management. Although all of these may be desirable (in most circumstances), other models are valid and have proved to be sustainable. I believe that more basic issues underlie these two recommendations: By Public Funding ----------------- What we really mean is that some sort of (large) organisation needs to recognise the strategic importance of CRCs and be prepared to support (not control!) them over a 5-6 year period (this does not have to be a public body but in many cases is likely to be). In the case of the WREN Telecottage this has been the RASE (Royal Agricultural Society of England). By Developed, owned and managed by the communities they serve ------------------------------------------------------------- What we really mean is that CRCs need to meet community needs and be responsive to the changing needs of the communities they serve. (Incidentally, if you substitute 'community' with 'clients' in the last sentence you have the definition of a sustainable business.). There are many institutions that provide services to communities (eg Libraries) which are not developed, owned and managed by the communities themselves. But this desn't mean they are not valued - indeed there are usually riots if LAs try to close libraries. So CRCs do not have to be owned managed and run by local communities to be valued by them. However, to be valued by the community, CRCs do need to provide services/facilities that the community wants and one way (but not the only way) to ensure this is to maximise the involvement of the community in one way or another. Let's campaign for public funding but let's not hold our breath! Regards Simon 26/11/97 National Rural Enterprise Centre Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire CV8 2RR, UK Tel: +44 1203 690691 Fax: +44 1203 696770 Web: http://www.nrec.org.uk/ Sent via WRENConnect Online services of WREN Telecottage Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Nov 28 07:54:24 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xbLFF-0000ZR-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:53:49 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xbLFD-0000ZM-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:53:47 +0000 Received: from al152.du.pipex.com (al152.du.pipex.com [193.130.251.152]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with SMTP id HAA24048 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:53:00 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:53:00 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971128085524.2907c374@geo2.poptel.org.uk> X-Sender: aston-ciu@geo2.poptel.org.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Michael Mulquin Subject: UKCO Map and Charter Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear All, I am looking forward to seeing many of you at York on the 16th and 17th December and it looks like we are going to have a very useful and encouraging time. In case you are one of the few that haven't booked yet ;-), Please send in your form straightaway as we need to get details back to the conference venue next week. One of the key issues that we will be grappling with there, will be to agree a set of online services relating to the community where they live and work that should be available for local people. This will then form the basis of our citizens community networking charter and our map. Claire Shearman has taken on the job of doing some solid consultation before hand so that we will have a set of proposals by a week or so before the York conference to ensure that our discussions there can be focused and productive. She will be contacting some of you over the next few days to find out your ideas. We want to make sure that the proposals that will form the basis of our discussions at York reflect the views and experience of as many of you as possible. Take care, and see you soon! Michael Mulquin UK Communities Online Aston Community Involvement Unit Durning Hall, Forest Gate, London E7 9AB Tel 0181 519 2244 0171 473 4750 (h) From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Nov 28 08:30:52 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xbLp1-0000aD-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:30:47 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xbLoz-0000a8-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:30:45 +0000 Received: from lbnims01.newham.gov.uk ([151.133.75.210]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with ESMTP id IAA27478 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:29:59 GMT Message-Id: <199711280829.IAA27478@smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk> Received: by lbnims01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:14:51 -0000 From: Richard Steel To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: RE: UKCO Map and Charter Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:56:29 -0000 X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk One of the efficiencies I hope we can achieve through Newham Online will be to represent one another in events like this. In this context I hope the "few" from Newham become the "many"! Richard > ---------- > From: Michael Mulquin[SMTP:michael@communities.org.uk] > Sent: 28 November 1997 07:53 > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Subject: UKCO Map and Charter > > Dear All, > I am looking forward to seeing many of you at York on the 16th and > 17th > December and it looks like we are going to have a very useful and > encouraging time. In case you are one of the few that haven't booked > yet > ;-), Please send in your form straightaway as we need to get details > back to > the conference venue next week. > One of the key issues that we will be grappling with there, will be to > agree > a set of online services relating to the community where they live and > work > that should be available for local people. This will then form the > basis of > our citizens community networking charter and our map. Claire > Shearman has > taken on the job of doing some solid consultation before hand so that > we > will have a set of proposals by a week or so before the York > conference to > ensure that our discussions there can be focused and productive. She > will > be contacting some of you over the next few days to find out your > ideas. We > want to make sure that the proposals that will form the basis of our > discussions at York reflect the views and experience of as many of you > as > possible. > Take care, and see you soon! > Michael Mulquin > UK Communities Online > Aston Community Involvement Unit > Durning Hall, Forest Gate, > London E7 9AB > Tel 0181 519 2244 > 0171 473 4750 (h) > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 01 11:57:34 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xcURX-00029d-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:55:15 +0000 Received: from athena.bournemouth.ac.uk [194.66.72.1] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xcURV-00029V-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:55:13 +0000 Received: by athena.bournemouth.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA00254 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:55:26 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971201115338.0052ce90@athena.bournemouth.ac.uk> X-Sender: jhann@athena.bournemouth.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 11:53:38 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Judith Hann - Coastlines Project Subject: Access Technologies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk One of the local authorities who are funding the Costlines virtual community project have asked me to investigate what technologies are currently in use, being developed or may be available which give local people access to the Internet - eg kiosks, pay as you view computers, set top boxes etc.. What experiences have you had? What would you recommend/suggest? What has not ben effective? Any suggestions of other resources on this front would be helpful too. Thanks Judith From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 01 12:34:17 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xcV36-0002AT-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:34:04 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xcV34-0002AO-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:34:03 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.64] (dialup0-64.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.64]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25199 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:33:21 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:33:21 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971201115338.0052ce90@athena.bournemouth.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Re: Access Technologies Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Judith Try the IT for All office itforall@chc.co.uk Tel: 01753 770023 http://www.itforall.gov.uk/ - they are the Government-backed programme to promote public access. You might also get some contacts via the Society for Public Information Networks http://www.spin.org.uk Regards David >One of the local authorities who are funding the Costlines virtual >community project have asked me to investigate what technologies are >currently in use, being developed or may be available which give local >people access to the Internet - eg kiosks, pay as you view computers, set >top boxes etc.. What experiences have you had? What would you >recommend/suggest? What has not ben effective? > >Any suggestions of other resources on this front would be helpful too. -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 01 14:20:43 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xcWhr-0002Cf-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:20:15 +0000 Received: from gatekeeper.middlesbrough.gov.uk [193.130.18.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xcWhp-0002CX-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:20:14 +0000 Received: by gatekeeper.middlesbrough.gov.uk; id OAA17727; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:26:42 GMT From: Received: from unknown(10.12.1.2) by gatekeeper.middlesbrough.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma017725; Mon, 1 Dec 97 14:26:18 GMT Received: by hub.middlesbrough.gov.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 80256560.004E8422 ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:17:36 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: MIDDLESBROUGH_BOROUGH_COUNCIL To: conet@ukco.org.uk Message-ID: <80256560.004D4345.00@hub.middlesbrough.gov.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:17:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Access Technologies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Judith, checkout the Cabinet Office Central IT Unit's Web page. They are running an initiative called 'direct.link' which is about public sector organisations and voluntary agencies that are actively engaged in providing electronic services to the citizen. They have a membership scheme set up where organisations can share their knowledge of various projects. I have just applied to join so i don't know if there is anything specifically about giving internet access to the public but many local authorities are now doing so , so you may find some useful information. Their site address is : http://www.open.gov.uk/citu/cituhome.htm regards, Paul Wilson Middlesbrough Borough Council From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 01 20:49:32 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xccly-0002K2-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:48:54 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xcclw-0002Jx-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:48:52 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.64] (dialup2-07.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.135]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27507; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:48:06 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:48:06 GMT X-Sender: pic@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk, iacn@sheffield.ac.uk From: Ann Holmes Subject: Final Call York Workshop (16/17 December 1997) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear All Know how things get forgotten in the general busyness of things, so just to remind those of you, who have not already rgistered, that places cannot be guaranteed for anyone who has not forwarded me their registration form by 09.00 this Wednesday (3 December). I attach a form, for your convenience: Registration Form If you are an organisation with more than one delegate attending, please copy and fill in a form for each attendee, but forward the total registration fee on one cheque.Online registration forms should be returned to pic@pavilion.co.uk Given Name.................................................................... Surname......................................................................... Employer (if applicable)....................................................... Designation..................................................................... Address......................................................................... Town............................................................................ County.......................................................................... Postal Code..................................................................... Country......................................................................... Telephone....................................................................... (Business).............................................(Home)................... Fax:.......................................email................................ dietary requirements (Please specify)........................................... Please note any allergies....................................................... Please note any special areas of interest, in relation to the UKCO Campaign ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ................................................................................ Category of payment ( Please delete as appropriate) all sums are inclusive of VAT, and include the costs of all meals and accommodation) *local voluntary project(GBP 29.37 - 25 + 4.37 VAT) *national voluntary or academic sector (GBP 58.75 - 50 + 8.75 VAT) *local authority (GBP 88.12 - 75 + 13.12 VAT) *corporate (GBP 117.50 - 100 + 17.50 VAT) I have forwarded a registration fee for .... places @ GBP TOTAL GBP Please see below for financial guidance notes and return registration form(s) to pic@pavilion.co.uk and fee(s) to: Partners in Change, 13 Pelham Square, Brighton BN1 4ET Tel: +44())1273 677378 Fax: +44(0)1273 677379 email: pic@pavilion.co.uk Financial Guidance Notes Cheques should be made payable to: Aston Charities Trust Ltd There will be no refunds for cancellations at this event With all good wishes Ann From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 03 15:21:31 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdGaa-0002y0-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:19:48 +0000 Received: from jupiter.brighton.ac.uk [194.83.112.28] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdGaY-0002xv-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:19:46 +0000 Received: from saturn.bton.ac.uk by jupiter with SMTP (MMTA); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:18:47 +0000 Received: from localhost by saturn.bton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA21468; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:18:46 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:18:46 +0000 (GMT) From: day X-Sender: pd29@saturn To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Final Call York Workshop (16/17 December 1997) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear Ann, Sorry about this but I haven't been able to get anyone here to confirm that the Uni would pay for me to go to York. If its not too late I'd like to be booked in please. Is it possible to invoice The IT Faculty of Univerity of Brighton please? I'm working at home Thursday & Friday if you need to speak to me. Phone number 01323 509043 Regards Peter ************************************************************************ Peter Day e-mail: pd29@bton.ac.uk School of Information Management telephone: 01273 642550 University of Brighton FAX: 01273 642405 Watts Building Moulsecoomb, Brighton, BN2 4GJ ************************************************************************ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 03 15:42:18 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdGwJ-0002yh-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:42:15 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdGwH-0002yc-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:42:14 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.44] (dialup1-57.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.121]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01188 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:41:38 GMT X-Sender: pic@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:42:14 +0100 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Ann Holmes Subject: Re: Final Call York Workshop (16/17 December 1997) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear Peter Fine - I hope - take it that is, unless I call to say otherwise - please let me know asap if you have any special dietary requirements. All good wishes Ann From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 03 17:55:34 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdJ0x-000315-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:55:11 +0000 Received: from arl-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.131] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdJ0t-00030x-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:55:08 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id MAA04740 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:53:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:53:23 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: Re: Access Technologies To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199712031253_MC2-2A89-463@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Judith: >what technologies are >currently in use, being developed or may be available which give local >people access to the Internet - eg kiosks, pay as you view computers, se= t >top boxes etc.. What experiences have you had? What would you >recommend/suggest? What has not ben effective?< A couple of aspects to bear in mind when considering this: 1. Nature of Access on a basis, for example through kiosk-style = access points in libraries and other public places, does not provide the same kind of = experience of online use as access on a basis, eg in the home, at the workplace. For example using email once a day or every other day in a public library is quite different from having access to a system at home or on your desk at work. People whose only access is public shared access= cannot build the use on online methods into their lives. applications are in general not applications. 2. Timescale The proposed duration of a programme is a key factor. If you are planning= a programme that will peak in (say) 1998 and live for a year or three, then= its reasonable to assume that a minority of the population will have affordable . Public access points for experience and exposure to possibilities could be important. But if you look beyond the next two to three years, it would be wise to anticipate low cost private access points and services (eg TV adapters and low price home computers), which means that most people who want private access could afford it. = =46rom a community development perspective we may still want to provide public access points for those who choose not to , but that= 's not the same as public access for those who genuinely can't afford to be online. Its worth producing a kind of mapping- across-time: 1992: Internet was unknown to the general public, online services were fairly crude, www still being developed, only the lunatic fringe using online services 1997: Internet very widely advertised and promoted but most products and services still mainly promoted and delivered , only perhaps 10% of people using online services to any extent, most online offered by companies, government = departments etc very crude and ineffectual 2002: Perhaps a majority of companies and government departments and public services , perhaps 50% of population actively online, but still perfectly possible to survive without being = connected 2007: Being unconnected not life-threatening but certainly a deprivation.= Against this spectrum we have to consider exactly what our local projects are seeking to do (and for whom) in 1997-8-9. My own personal view is that the priority is to help the become successful online, give them good reasons to motivate their friends and neighbours to , develop and enhance local online services. in public places can be an important aspect of this, but we shouldn't pretend that casual use in a public place is at anything like . To answer your specific question as USA vendor recently launched an Internet-ready PC for home use costing under $500 (ie about GBP350). This puts it in the same bracket as a fairly basic . The market assumption is that homes will have multiple PCs just like they have multiple TVs. And that we will use both PCs that can receive TV and TVs that can access Internet - both have their uses. Hope this is helpful, Best wishes Horace Mitchell European Telework Online http://www.eto.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 04 10:07:44 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdYBa-0003Gb-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:10 +0000 Received: from ruralwales.net [163.164.63.100] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdYBW-0003GW-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:07 +0000 Received: by gateway1.ruralwales.net via suspension id <22463>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:01:29 +0000 Received: from post.powys.gov.uk ([172.16.1.13]) by gateway1.ruralwales.net with SMTP id <22424>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:00:26 +0000 Received: from borg.powys.gov.uk by post.powys.gov.uk via Connect2-SMTP 4.00 (0000939); Thu, 4 Dec 97 10:05:17 +0000 Received: from TIMF_LAPTOP (TIMF_LAPTOP [172.16.114.74]) by borg.powys.gov.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ma076322 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:09:52 +0000 Received: by timf.powys.gov.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD009C.6FC324C0@timf.powys.gov.uk>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:32 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD009C.6FC324C0@timf.powys.gov.uk> From: Tim Fletcher To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Subject: RE: Access Technologies Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD009C.6FD3EDA0" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD009C.6FD3EDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like we are getting close to the social inclusion/social exclusion debate to me which is high on the agenda in rural areas http://www.telecottages.org Tim Fletcher Corporate IT Unit Powys County Council Phone + 44 (0) 1597 827228 Fax + 44 (0) 1597 824781 http://www.telecentres.com http://www.powys.gov.uk -----Original Message----- From: Horace Mitchell [SMTP:horace_mitchell@compuserve.com] Sent: 03 December 1997 17:53 To: INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Access Technologies Judith: >what technologies are >currently in use, being developed or may be available which give local >people access to the Internet - eg kiosks, pay as you view computers, set >top boxes etc.. What experiences have you had? What would you >recommend/suggest? What has not ben effective?< A couple of aspects to bear in mind when considering this: 1. Nature of Access on a basis, for example through kiosk-style access points in libraries and other public places, does not provide the same kind of experience of online use as access on a basis, eg in the home, at the workplace. For example using email once a day or every other day in a public library is quite different from having access to a system at home or on your desk at work. People whose only access is public shared access cannot build the use on online methods into their lives. applications are in general not applications. 2. Timescale The proposed duration of a programme is a key factor. If you are planning a programme that will peak in (say) 1998 and live for a year or three, then its reasonable to assume that a minority of the population will have affordable . Public access points for experience and exposure to possibilities could be important. But if you look beyond the next two to three years, it would be wise to anticipate low cost private access points and services (eg TV adapters and low price home computers), which means that most people who want private access could afford it. >From a community development perspective we may still want to provide public access points for those who choose not to , but that's not the same as public access for those who genuinely can't afford to be online. Its worth producing a kind of mapping- across-time: 1992: Internet was unknown to the general public, online services were fairly crude, www still being developed, only the lunatic fringe using online services 1997: Internet very widely advertised and promoted but most products and services still mainly promoted and delivered , only perhaps 10% of people using online services to any extent, most online offered by companies, government departments etc very crude and ineffectual 2002: Perhaps a majority of companies and government departments and public services , perhaps 50% of population actively online, but still perfectly possible to survive without being connected 2007: Being unconnected not life-threatening but certainly a deprivation. Against this spectrum we have to consider exactly what our local projects are seeking to do (and for whom) in 1997-8-9. My own personal view is that the priority is to help the become successful online, give them good reasons to motivate their friends and neighbours to , develop and enhance local online services. in public places can be an important aspect of this, but we shouldn't pretend that casual use in a public place is at anything like . To answer your specific question as USA vendor recently launched an Internet-ready PC for home use costing under $500 (ie about GBP350). This puts it in the same bracket as a fairly basic . The market assumption is that homes will have multiple PCs just like they have multiple TVs. And that we will use both PCs that can receive TV and TVs that can access Internet - both have their uses. 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conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: mail recovered during system restore Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 4 10:16:49 1997 Received: from teletub by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id KAA05890; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:16:46 GMT Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdYBa-0003Gb-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:10 +0000 Received: from ruralwales.net [163.164.63.100] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdYBW-0003GW-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:07 +0000 Received: by gateway1.ruralwales.net via suspension id <22463>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:01:29 +0000 Received: from post.powys.gov.uk ([172.16.1.13]) by gateway1.ruralwales.net with SMTP id <22424>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:00:26 +0000 Received: from borg.powys.gov.uk by post.powys.gov.uk via Connect2-SMTP 4.00 (0000939); Thu, 4 Dec 97 10:05:17 +0000 Received: from TIMF_LAPTOP (TIMF_LAPTOP [172.16.114.74]) by borg.powys.gov.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ma076322 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:09:52 +0000 Received: by timf.powys.gov.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD009C.6FC324C0@timf.powys.gov.uk>; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:32 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD009C.6FC324C0@timf.powys.gov.uk> From: Tim Fletcher To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Subject: RE: Access Technologies Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:07:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD009C.6FD3EDA0" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD009C.6FD3EDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like we are getting close to the social inclusion/social exclusion debate to me which is high on the agenda in rural areas http://www.telecottages.org Tim Fletcher Corporate IT Unit Powys County Council Phone + 44 (0) 1597 827228 Fax + 44 (0) 1597 824781 http://www.telecentres.com http://www.powys.gov.uk -----Original Message----- From: Horace Mitchell [SMTP:horace_mitchell@compuserve.com] Sent: 03 December 1997 17:53 To: INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Access Technologies Judith: >what technologies are >currently in use, being developed or may be available which give local >people access to the Internet - eg kiosks, pay as you view computers, set >top boxes etc.. What experiences have you had? What would you >recommend/suggest? What has not ben effective?< A couple of aspects to bear in mind when considering this: 1. Nature of Access on a basis, for example through kiosk-style access points in libraries and other public places, does not provide the same kind of experience of online use as access on a basis, eg in the home, at the workplace. For example using email once a day or every other day in a public library is quite different from having access to a system at home or on your desk at work. People whose only access is public shared access cannot build the use on online methods into their lives. applications are in general not applications. 2. Timescale The proposed duration of a programme is a key factor. If you are planning a programme that will peak in (say) 1998 and live for a year or three, then its reasonable to assume that a minority of the population will have affordable . Public access points for experience and exposure to possibilities could be important. But if you look beyond the next two to three years, it would be wise to anticipate low cost private access points and services (eg TV adapters and low price home computers), which means that most people who want private access could afford it. >From a community development perspective we may still want to provide public access points for those who choose not to , but that's not the same as public access for those who genuinely can't afford to be online. Its worth producing a kind of mapping- across-time: 1992: Internet was unknown to the general public, online services were fairly crude, www still being developed, only the lunatic fringe using online services 1997: Internet very widely advertised and promoted but most products and services still mainly promoted and delivered , only perhaps 10% of people using online services to any extent, most online offered by companies, government departments etc very crude and ineffectual 2002: Perhaps a majority of companies and government departments and public services , perhaps 50% of population actively online, but still perfectly possible to survive without being connected 2007: Being unconnected not life-threatening but certainly a deprivation. Against this spectrum we have to consider exactly what our local projects are seeking to do (and for whom) in 1997-8-9. My own personal view is that the priority is to help the become successful online, give them good reasons to motivate their friends and neighbours to , develop and enhance local online services. in public places can be an important aspect of this, but we shouldn't pretend that casual use in a public place is at anything like . To answer your specific question as USA vendor recently launched an Internet-ready PC for home use costing under $500 (ie about GBP350). This puts it in the same bracket as a fairly basic . The market assumption is that homes will have multiple PCs just like they have multiple TVs. And that we will use both PCs that can receive TV and TVs that can access Internet - both have their uses. Hope this is helpful, Best wishes Horace Mitchell European Telework Online http://www.eto.org.uk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD009C.6FD3EDA0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiAKAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAkAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAQQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGNvbmV0QHVrY28ub3Jn LnVrAFNNVFAAY29uZXRAdWtjby5vcmcudWsAAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAA ABIAAABjb25ldEB1a2NvLm9yZy51awAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAABQAAAAnY29u ZXRAdWtjby5vcmcudWsnAAIBCzABAAAAFwAAAFNNVFA6Q09ORVRAVUtDTy5PUkcuVUsAAAMAADkA AAAACwBAOgEAAAAeAPZfAQAAABIAAABjb25ldEB1a2NvLm9yZy51awAAAAIB918BAAAAQQAAAAAA AACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGNvbmV0QHVrY28ub3JnLnVrAFNNVFAAY29uZXRAdWtjby5v cmcudWsAAAAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAIBTwEEgAEAGAAAAFJFOiBB Y2Nlc3MgVGVjaG5vbG9naWVzAEcIAQWAAwAOAAAAzQcMAAQACgAHABkABAASAQEggAMADgAAAM0H 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AAAYhQAAAAAAAB4AQYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAEKACCAG AAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgBDgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAA OIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AABeFQ== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD009C.6FD3EDA0-- From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 04 11:27:53 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdZRa-0003IW-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:27:46 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdZRY-0003IR-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:27:44 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05438 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:27:07 GMT Message-Id: <199712041127.LAA05438@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:24:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Final Call York Workshop (16/17 December 1997) In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk A special please that people do not use the CONET list for personal correspondence that the rest of use do not wish to see. Please will other users avoid hitting the reply key when receiving message over a list server as it just creates spam in our in boxes Your in haste Trevor > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:42:14 +0100 > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > From: Ann Holmes > Subject: Re: Final Call York Workshop (16/17 December 1997) > Reply-to: conet@ukco.org.uk > Dear Peter > > Fine - I hope - take it that is, unless I call to say otherwise - please > let me know asap if you have any special dietary requirements. > > All good wishes > > > Ann > > > > Event & Project Services - Conferencing and Project Development Helping the world to talk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 04 14:09:41 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdbxb-0003LH-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:08:59 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdbxW-0003LC-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:08:56 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.90] (dialup1-04.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.68]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA12571; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:08:13 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:08:13 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: co-europe@loud-n-clear.com, conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Come to Brussels and develop UK-European collaboration Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I'm writing to invite you to a workshop to be held at the Swissotel, in Brussels, 29/30 January 1998, and to update Europeans on the UKCO Campaign. This will be a key opportunity for community networkers to develop UK-European collaboration. Campaign Update First news of the UKCO plans were given at the Milan conference. Since then a team led by Michael Mulquin and David Wilcox have been developing the campaign outlined at http://www.communities.org.uk. These pages will be updated over the coming weeks. Campaign start up is being funded by the UK Department of Trade and Industry, and IBM have recently agreed a three-year programme of support including funding, equipment and the part time secondment of Samantha Hellawell. Campaign proposals include: * An online database and map of projects throughout the UK, providing a showcase for their plans and achievements. The campaign aims to help 'fill in' the map over three years. * A community networking charter, setting out facilities which citizens might reasonably expect in their area. * A toolkit of technical and others materials, on the Internet and in print, for anyone starting a local project. * An Anywhere Online demonstration * A design game which will help different interests in an area plan their online community. * A communications system for practitioners to share experience more * A programme of workshops and seminars and an annual conference Brussels Workshop The workshop is being organised by Ann Holmes of Partners in Change. Participants from across Europe are being invited, and the purpose of the event is threefold: * to find out how the initiatives that UKCO is developing stand up in the light of European experience * to find out more about recent developments across Europe * to develop collaborative ways of working across Europe In broad terms, the Thursday evening will be devoted to experience outside of the UK, the Friday morning to testing UKCO initiatives and the Friday afternoon to developing collaborative ways of working. A number of bursaries will be available and for those wishing to stay on for an additional night or two, or to bring partners, favourable rates have been obtained from the Swissotel. Please contact Ann Holmes for further details on any of these matters. The sessions will be highly interactive and I attach an outline programme, a registration form. PLEASE NOTE If at all possible, please let Ann know, by 17 December, whether or not you will be attending. OUTLINE PROGRAMME Thursday 29 January * 19.00 pre Dinner Drinks (with table top exhibition open to all participants) * 19.30 Dinner After dinner, all European participants will be given the opportunity to make a short presentation Friday 30 January * 8.00 Introduction to UKCO campaign * 8.30 Testing the Map and Charter * 10.00 Coffee * 10.30 Testing the Toolkit * 12.00 Feedback on testing sessions * 13.00 Lunch * 14.30 Areas of focus across Europe * 16.00 Tea * 16.30 Optimising collaboration * 18.00 Close Registration Form If you are an organisation with more than one delegate attending, please copy and fill in a form for each attendee, but forward the total registration fee on one cheque.Online registration forms should be returned to pic@pavilion.co.uk GBP = Pounds Given Name.................................................................... Surname......................................................................... Employer (if relevant).......................................................... Designation..................................................................... . Address......................................................................... Town............................................................................ County.......................................................................... Postal Code..................................................................... Country......................................................................... Telephone....................................................................... (Business).............................................(Home)................... Fax:.......................................email................................ dietary requirements (Please specify)........................................... Please note any allergies....................................................... Please note any special areas of interest, in relation to the UKCO Campaign ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ................................................................................ Category of payment ( Please delete as appropriate) (all sums are inclusive of VAT, and include the costs of all meals and accommodation) *local voluntary sector projects GBP88.12 (75 + 13.12 VAT) * national voluntary and academic sectors GBP117.50(100 + 17.50 VAT) * local government GBP146 87 (125 +21.87 VAT) * corporate GBP176.25 (150 + 26.25 VAT) I have forwarded a registration fee for .... places @ GBP...... TOTAL GBP..... Please see below for financial guidance notes and return registration form(s) to pic@pavilion.co.uk and fee(s) to: Partners in Change, 13 Pelham Square, Brighton BN1 4ET Tel: +44(0)1273 677378 Fax: +44(0)1273 677379 email: pic@pavilion.co.uk Financial Guidance Notes Cheques should be made payable to: Aston Charities Trust Ltd There will be no refunds for cancellations at this event -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 04 23:32:47 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdkjw-0003Ut-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:31:28 +0000 Received: from MCR1.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xdkjo-0003Uo-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:31:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 23:30:36 +0100 GMT From: LINDA@MCIN.POPTEL.ORG.UK Subject: Whether services should be based on stated needs? To: conet@ukco.org.uk Message-Id: <129756395MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Just catching up with all my emails and wanted to add a thought to Kevins comments - colleagues, >another thought on michael's posting. I have always had doubts (since I >was a humble student of librarianship hundreds of years ago) about the >notion that 'services' should be based on stated needs, unless you build >in clever interpretive devices for identifying unperceived and >unexpressed need. If we wait to secure 'stated needs' we may never get anywhere but if we make a new service available and allow it to be test driven then 'users' have a better chance of articulating what they want/need, like/don't like from it. Did we know we had a need for the telephone before it was invented and could we prove that it would be of value when it was first introduced? If a need is met then there may be some kind of benefit - an outcome and it is this which I think CINs are struggling to identify. As part of Infocities project work in Manchester a research project is being initiated which will consider the benefits of technology/access to information - the details haven't been firmed up yet, but I will share any revelations as they are arise. linda From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Dec 05 16:16:41 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xe0PQ-0003mJ-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:15:20 +0000 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xe0PI-0003mE-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:15:19 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10693 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:14:41 GMT Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id QAA00596 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:14:18 GMT From: J.Berry@midnet.com (J.Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: Simon_Berry@midnet.com Subject: Re: Whether services should be based on stated needs? Date: 05 Dec 1997 13:52:35 GMT Message-Id: <3718770654.9801691@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi linda, The "test driving" approach you outline was the one used in RegioNet - every application was "user needs" driven. Simon Berry can give you more details. Regards Jane Berry From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Dec 05 18:06:04 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xe286-0003o8-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:05:34 +0000 Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xe280-0003o3-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:05:33 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26300 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:04:54 GMT Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id SAA16861 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:02:54 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Whether services should be based on stated nee Date: 05 Dec 1997 16:04:03 GMT Message-Id: <3718770654.10235435@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Linda wrote: > If we wait to secure 'stated needs' we may never get anywhere but if > we make a new service available and allow it to be test driven then > 'users' have a better chance of articulating what they want/need, > like/don't like from it. Did we know we had a need for the > telephone before it was invented and could we prove that it would be > of value when it was first introduced? A process we used in the assessment of user needs in the RegioNet project (online services) to try and get over this problem was to use 'prototypes' to elicit 'user requirements'. The important thing about the prototype is that it must be 'built in a day' (ie should take long to put together) and be designed to test areas of uncertainty. A prototype may consist of a mocked-up computer-based system plus screen shots, diagrams on pieces of paper etc etc. I think it is generally accepted that it is bad idea to put lots of resources into building a system before any testing is done with users. Regards Simon (Berry) 5/12/97 Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Dec 06 11:52:51 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xeImA-0004ZO-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:52:02 +0000 Received: from hil-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.177.134] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xeIm8-0004ZJ-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:52:00 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id GAA15479 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 06:50:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 06:50:28 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: Re: Whether services should be based on stated need To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199712060650_MC2-2AF7-422D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Just a comment from an old (and I do mean OLD) marketing hand. I used to be responsible for product management and market development in a computer company, my focus was on products and = services, ie things that were not known about before we launched them. An example is email, I was part of a team that devised, built and sold an email system in the 1970s; people thought we were deluded (no comments please!). I can say with some assurance that we users-in-general are not capable of= articulating our needs for products and services we don't yet understand - ie the most innovative ones. Also that users-in-general often cannot associate themselves with products and services until after the item is well established. Most innovative products or services are first adopted by a , at a time when most people think the item is worthless, then over time the successful ideas catch on and eventually get taken for granted. As an example, word processing technology was widely thought to be a wast= e of time and money in its first ten years, now its almost impossible to bu= y an typewriter. The computer was regarded as an aberration by most of the IT industry and most of its customers. The worl= d market for computers was orignally forecast as a total of four machines. My good Friend who invented Christianity was crucified for His pains - on= ly a few out and out nut cases followed Him. So please don't be put off implementing things because . Pursue what you believe is good and useful. But be prepared to lose sometimes. = If we never run a project that fails we aren't taking enough risks . . . I'd like to see the community networking movement in Europe pioneering so= me ideas that don't make sense to the big battalions; could be the world is about ready to be turned upside down? Best wishes to all Horace Mitchell European Telework Online From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Dec 06 12:55:26 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xeJlK-0004ae-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:55:14 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xeJlI-0004aZ-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:55:12 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.56] (dialup1-61.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.125]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27648 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:54:45 GMT Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:54:45 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199712060650_MC2-2AF7-422D@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Re: Whether services should be based on stated need Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Horace Thanks for the wisdom and inspiration. We newcomers (young in the field if not in age:-) need insights and support of the elders to give us some confidence. >I can say with some assurance that we users-in-general are not capable of >articulating our needs for products and services we don't yet understand >- ie the most innovative ones......... >I'd like to see the community networking movement in Europe pioneering some >ideas that don't make sense to the big battalions; could be the world is >about ready to be turned upside down? Do you have any ideas for breaking into the 'I don't get, I don't need it'- 'so why develop it' circle? Community networkers, I sense, are keen to innovate, but don't have the resources of Microsoft or IBM for R&D teams, and working as non-profits can't raise venture capital. They have to either go to funders (who don't get it so won't fund) or invest personal sweat which can't be turned into real equity... a tough road. One thing we may have going for us is that the big battalions are beginning to see value in community networks. I hear from friends in big corporations that they no longer have to make the case for local virtual (mainly business) environments, and that trials will soon be starting in several areas around the country. The tide has turned in the past few months. Other elements of community networking, like gateways and discussion forums, are also attracting attention. However, as I once heard one corporate person remark...' community networks... Community Intranets...we can see the value, we understand networks, but we don't understand community. If you do, maybe you have something to offer us'. So how about: 1 Offer to work with one or more of the big battalions to build demonstrators - practical visions - of community networks, Digital Cities, Villages, Places, and live testbeds. Powerpoint presentations don't convince - only hands-on does. 2 Look for commercial partners on other elements of networking. That doesn't man we shouldn't go for grants, sponsorship etc. I just don't think that route will provide sufficient resources for innovation. And if we ignore the rapid pace of private sector development in this field, we will be rapidly marginalised. Any lessons from elsewhere in Europe, Horace? Regards David -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 08 09:51:50 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xezpc-0005D0-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:50:28 +0000 Received: from jupiter.brighton.ac.uk [194.83.112.28] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xezpb-0005Cv-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:50:27 +0000 Received: from saturn.bton.ac.uk by jupiter with SMTP (MMTA); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:50:01 +0000 Received: from localhost by saturn.bton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA10891; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:49:59 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:49:58 +0000 (GMT) From: day X-Sender: pd29@saturn To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Apologies In-Reply-To: <199712041127.LAA05438@quark.foobar.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear all, Apologies for my accidental misuse of the list. Trevor is of course quite correct. I should have been less hasty :-) Best regards Peter ************************************************************************ Peter Day e-mail: pd29@bton.ac.uk School of Information Management telephone: 01273 642550 University of Brighton FAX: 01273 642405 Watts Building Moulsecoomb, Brighton, BN2 4GJ ************************************************************************ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 08 13:46:42 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xf3Va-0005Gt-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:46:02 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xf3VY-0005Go-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:46:01 +0000 Received: from gbits.demon.co.uk ([158.152.50.125]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1017831; 8 Dec 97 13:42 GMT From: Graham Bagshaw Organization: GB IT Services To: snuf-l@syspace.co.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, iacn@sheffield.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:43:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SYNET Xmas Seminar 19 Dec 1997 CC: SheilaPantry@compuserve.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <881588548.1017831.0@gbits.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dave Miller, Sheila Pantry and I, invite you to the SYNET Seminar on Friday 19 December - details below. If you plan to come along, please let Dave know, so that we can cater accordingly. We hope to see you there! Best Regards, Graham. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SOUTH YORKSHIRE NETWORK Community Information Networks An update Seminar will be held on Friday 19 December 1997, 13.30 to 16.30 at the Department of Information Studies, The University of Sheffield, Regent Court, Portobello Street, Sheffield S10 2TN Synet's aims are to make people aware of the most recent developments in Community Information Networks in the South Yorkshire Region, and the Seminar will provide the opportunity to hear the following talks. - An Overview of CIN Developments, by David Miller - The CIN in Sheffield, by David Spencer, Sheffield City Libraries - Dearne Valley Project developments, by Sheena Banks - Handsworth Electronic Community Network proposal, by Graham Bagshaw - Grimethorpe Electronic Village Hall developments. The Seminar will also enable participants to be able to: - discuss future needs, and - personally network with each other. Chairman: Sheila Pantry, OBE The Seminar is free of charge - come and enjoy a glass of wine and mincepies, and get updated! Further details: David Miller, Department of Information Studies, The University of Sheffield, Regent Court, Portobello Street, Sheffield S10 2TN Tel: 0114 22 22 644 Fax: 0114 278 0300 e-mail:D.Miller@sheffield.ac.uk or check out the web site order form at http://panizzi.shef.ac.uk/synetsem ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- Graham Bagshaw, GB IT Services (Gbits) Consultancy Services in Information Technology See: http://www.gbits.com for contact details, etc From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 08 15:56:06 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xf5Wl-0005Il-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:55:23 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xf5Wj-0005Ig-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:55:21 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2002269; 8 Dec 97 15:39 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:34:55 +0000 To: newnet@tagish.co.uk, iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Kings Fund MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk THE KING'S FUND GOES ON LINE - 8 December 1997 http://www.kingsfund.org.uk The King's Fund today launches its Web site on the Internet. New chief executive of the King's Fund, Julia Neuberger, said: "The launch of the King's Fund Web site signals our determination to reach out to more people." "The King's Fund hopes to be at the forefront of using modern forms of communication to bring together people working in the disparate fields of health and social care. The Internet can be a means of helping people share information, learn from each other's experiences and heighten their awareness of current trends. The King's Fund Web site will, I hope, encourage more working together and develop a shared sense of purpose in the various care fields." The site provides the latest information about King's Fund work projects, publications and research findings. It explains how to apply for a King's Fund grant and offers the opportunity to make contact with King's Fund staff. It includes a weekly update on health and social care stories in the national and regional media as well as the King's Fund's own press releases, links to other health-related sites and a list of future conferences, seminars and events in the health field. The Web site will be useful to anyone working in health, whether they are inside the NHS or working for voluntary agencies or social services, as well as interested observers. It will be valuable to doctors, nurses, managers, social workers, academics and service users. -ends- Notes to Editors The King's Fund web site can be found at: http://www.kingsfund.org.uk For more information or feedback about the site, please contact Lynette Cawthra on 0171 307 2560. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- WebWitch - aka Jayne Alexander - jayne@stl.co.uk - for the clients of Synopsys Technology Limited - http://www.stl.co.uk/ and Sapphyr Internet Publishing Ltd -- Geoff Walker, Company Secretary, NEWcastle NEWnet Ltd. WWW:http://www.newnet.org.uk. Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 08 19:31:26 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xf8tc-0005M3-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:31:12 +0000 Received: from arthur.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.4] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xf8ta-0005Ly-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:31:10 +0000 Received: from rambo.futures.bt.co.uk by arthur.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:33:24 +0000 Received: from mussel.futures.bt.co.uk by rambo with SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:21:38 +0000 Received: by mussel.futures.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BD03FD.9A1923F0@mussel.futures.bt.co.uk>; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: From: Colin Millar To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" , 'Mike Hunt' Subject: RE: SYNET Xmas Seminar 19 Dec 1997 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:20:53 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Graham, Thanks for the invitation, to which regrettably I have to reply in the negative, as I am at another meeting that day in London. I would have really liked to catch up with initiatives in Sheffield, and of course the sherry was another additional feature my arranged meeting does not have ......... mmmmmm I could say I came down with a bad dose of athletes foot ........ but no I can't really. I hope to be working with Ankie in the New Year, so I'll be up in a few weeks I guess. Would it be OK if I asked Mike Hunt if he can come up, as he has a particular interest in Grimethorpe? Regards Colin >---------- >From: Graham Bagshaw[SMTP:Graham@gbits.com] >Sent: 08 December 1997 12:43 >To: snuf-l@syspace.co.uk; conet@ukco.org.uk; iacn@sheffield.ac.uk >Cc: SheilaPantry@compuserve.com >Subject: SYNET Xmas Seminar 19 Dec 1997 > >Dave Miller, Sheila Pantry and I, invite you to the SYNET Seminar on >Friday 19 December - details below. If you plan to come along, >please >let Dave know, so that we can cater accordingly. We hope to see you >there! > >Best Regards, > >Graham. > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > SOUTH YORKSHIRE NETWORK > > Community Information Networks > >An update Seminar will be held on Friday 19 December 1997, 13.30 to >16.30 >at the Department of Information Studies, The University of Sheffield, >Regent Court, Portobello Street, Sheffield S10 2TN > >Synet's aims are to make people aware of the most recent developments >in >Community Information Networks in the South Yorkshire Region, and the >Seminar will provide the opportunity to hear the following talks. > > - An Overview of CIN Developments, by David Miller > - The CIN in Sheffield, by David Spencer, Sheffield City Libraries > - Dearne Valley Project developments, by Sheena Banks > - Handsworth Electronic Community Network proposal, by Graham >Bagshaw > - Grimethorpe Electronic Village Hall developments. > > The Seminar will also enable participants to be able to: > > - discuss future needs, and > - personally network with each other. > >Chairman: Sheila Pantry, OBE > >The Seminar is free of charge - come and enjoy a glass of wine and >mincepies, and get updated! > >Further details: > > David Miller, Department of Information Studies, > The University of Sheffield, > Regent Court, Portobello Street, Sheffield S10 2TN > Tel: 0114 22 22 644 Fax: 0114 278 0300 e-mail:D.Miller@sheffield.ac.uk > >or check out the web site order form at >http://panizzi.shef.ac.uk/synetsem > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >-- >Graham Bagshaw, GB IT Services (Gbits) >Consultancy Services in Information Technology >See: http://www.gbits.com for contact details, etc > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 11 19:29:36 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xgEHW-0006PH-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:28:22 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xgEHR-0006PC-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:28:18 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.173] (dialup2-01.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.129]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22014; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:27:53 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:27:53 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: co-europe@loud-n-clear.com, conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: BOOKING REMINDER: Come to Brussels and develop UK-European collaboration Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I know the end of January seems a long way off, but to keep our prices low we need to confirm numbers with the hotel early , so, a reminder to those intending coming to the event in Brussels on 29/30 January to let Ann Holmes (pic@pavilion.co.uk) know by next Wednesday (17 December). Original invitation below. Thanks... and Merry Christmas Regards David ----------------------- I'm writing to invite you to a workshop to be held at the Swissotel, in Brussels, 29/30 January 1998, and to update Europeans on the UKCO Campaign. This will be a key opportunity for community networkers to develop UK-European collaboration. Campaign Update First news of the UKCO plans were given at the Milan conference. Since then a team led by Michael Mulquin and David Wilcox have been developing the campaign outlined at http://www.communities.org.uk. These pages will be updated over the coming weeks. Campaign start up is being funded by the UK Department of Trade and Industry, and IBM have recently agreed a three-year programme of support including funding, equipment and the part time secondment of Samantha Hellawell. Campaign proposals include: * An online database and map of projects throughout the UK, providing a showcase for their plans and achievements. The campaign aims to help 'fill in' the map over three years. * A community networking charter, setting out facilities which citizens might reasonably expect in their area. * A toolkit of technical and others materials, on the Internet and in print, for anyone starting a local project. * An Anywhere Online demonstration * A design game which will help different interests in an area plan their online community. * A communications system for practitioners to share experience more * A programme of workshops and seminars and an annual conference Brussels Workshop The workshop is being organised by Ann Holmes of Partners in Change. Participants from across Europe are being invited, and the purpose of the event is threefold: * to find out how the initiatives that UKCO is developing stand up in the light of European experience * to find out more about recent developments across Europe * to develop collaborative ways of working across Europe In broad terms, the Thursday evening will be devoted to experience outside of the UK, the Friday morning to testing UKCO initiatives and the Friday afternoon to developing collaborative ways of working. A number of bursaries will be available and for those wishing to stay on for an additional night or two, or to bring partners, favourable rates have been obtained from the Swissotel. Please contact Ann Holmes for further details on any of these matters. The sessions will be highly interactive and I attach an outline programme, a registration form. PLEASE NOTE If at all possible, please let Ann know, by 17 December, whether or not you will be attending. OUTLINE PROGRAMME Thursday 29 January * 19.00 pre Dinner Drinks (with table top exhibition open to all participants) * 19.30 Dinner After dinner, all European participants will be given the opportunity to make a short presentation Friday 30 January * 8.00 Introduction to UKCO campaign * 8.30 Testing the Map and Charter * 10.00 Coffee * 10.30 Testing the Toolkit * 12.00 Feedback on testing sessions * 13.00 Lunch * 14.30 Areas of focus across Europe * 16.00 Tea * 16.30 Optimising collaboration * 18.00 Close Registration Form If you are an organisation with more than one delegate attending, please copy and fill in a form for each attendee, but forward the total registration fee on one cheque.Online registration forms should be returned to pic@pavilion.co.uk GBP = Pounds Given Name.................................................................... Surname......................................................................... Employer (if relevant).......................................................... Designation..................................................................... . Address......................................................................... Town............................................................................ County.......................................................................... Postal Code..................................................................... Country......................................................................... Telephone....................................................................... (Business).............................................(Home)................... Fax:.......................................email................................ dietary requirements (Please specify)........................................... Please note any allergies....................................................... Please note any special areas of interest, in relation to the UKCO Campaign ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ................................................................................ Category of payment ( Please delete as appropriate) (all sums are inclusive of VAT, and include the costs of all meals and accommodation) *local voluntary sector projects GBP88.12 (75 + 13.12 VAT) * national voluntary and academic sectors GBP117.50(100 + 17.50 VAT) * local government GBP146 87 (125 +21.87 VAT) * corporate GBP176.25 (150 + 26.25 VAT) I have forwarded a registration fee for .... places @ GBP...... TOTAL GBP..... Please see below for financial guidance notes and return registration form(s) to pic@pavilion.co.uk and fee(s) to: Partners in Change, 13 Pelham Square, Brighton BN1 4ET Tel: +44(0)1273 677378 Fax: +44(0)1273 677379 email: pic@pavilion.co.uk Financial Guidance Notes Cheques should be made payable to: Aston Charities Trust Ltd There will be no refunds for cancellations at this event -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Dec 12 09:00:30 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xgQxC-0006c3-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:00:14 +0000 Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xgQxA-0006by-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:00:12 +0000 Received: from ramsley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.103.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xgQwl-0005Db-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:59:47 +0000 Received: from RAMSLEY/MAILQUEUE by ramsley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 12 Dec 97 08:59:49 +0000 Received: from MAILQUEUE by RAMSLEY (Mercury 1.31); 12 Dec 97 08:59:45 +0000 From: "Dave Miller" To: iacn@shef.a.uk Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:59:36 +0000 Subject: Workshop Announcement CC: conet@ukco.org.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <110FE0874AAF@ramsley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi, to launch their new Community Internet Access rooms Grimethorpe Electronic Village Hall have arranged a one day series of Workshops on the 10th January ... Messages of support to the group , to be displayed on the day, would be gratefully recieved.... details are available at: http://www.barnsley.org.uk/jan10/index.htm regards dave miller David Miller Computer Officer Department of Information Studies Sheffield University Regent Court 211 Portobello Sheffield S1 4DP Tel:- 0114 2222644 Fax:- 0114 2780300 email:- d.miller@sheffield.ac.uk http://www.shef.ac.uk/~is/home.html From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Dec 13 17:04:41 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xguz1-0007Zs-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:04:07 +0000 Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.177.133] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xguz0-0007Zn-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:04:06 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id MAA27107; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:02:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:46:36 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: BOOKING REMINDER: Come to Brussels and develop UK-European collaboration To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Cc: "[unknown]" Message-ID: <199712131146_MC2-2BDB-9318@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In Brussels last week I informed EC officials about the January meeting, please can Michael/David confirm whether you want someone from the Commission to be there and if so when - their current workload means its unlikely that someone would attend throughout, but maybe we could have someone attend for a meal on Thursday evening and provide an update on FP5? Best wishes Horace Mitchell European Telework Development From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 15 11:14:24 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhYPA-0000OE-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:09:44 +0000 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhYP6-0000O9-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:09:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 27332 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1997 11:09:33 -0000 Received: from ag160.du.pipex.com (HELO smtp.dial.pipex.com) (193.130.246.160) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1997 11:09:33 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: European support for Quality of Life Network From: David Lloyd To: conet@ukco.org.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:09:41 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi, I am working at Development Officer with PHC, a charity which grew from the Peckham Experiment, a pre-NHS health centre. I am trying to find out who I need to talk to about a project I am working on to link local 'healthy living centres' across Europe under a 'quality of life' banner. The aim is to promote more sustainable and integrated models for health which draw on the positives of teleworking, alternative energy and lower impact living generally. Any suggestions on who within the EC I should be talking to would be a great help. Thanks David Lloyd **************************************** David Lloyd Development Officer Pioneer Health Centre c/o26 Suffolk Rd Southsea HANTS PO4 8EJ UK Tel/fax 01705 755540 yu07@dial.pipex.com **************************************** > > In Brussels last week I informed EC officials about the January meeting, > please can Michael/David confirm whether you want someone from the > Commission to be there and if so when - their current workload means its > unlikely that someone would attend throughout, but maybe we could > have someone attend for a meal on Thursday evening and provide an > update on FP5? > > Best wishes > > Horace Mitchell > European Telework Development > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 15 11:39:09 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhYrO-0000P6-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:38:54 +0000 Received: from MCR1.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhYrG-0000P1-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:38:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:38:32 +0100 GMT From: CLAIRE.SHEARMAN@MCR1.poptel.org.uk Subject: for those unable to come to York To: conet@ukco.org.uk Message-Id: <1297182067MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk All feedback on the mapping discussion document is welcome - I'll do my best to incorporate it into the sessions on Tuesday and Wednesday. Claire From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 15 17:47:20 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhebe-0000Us-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:47:02 +0000 Received: from [195.224.17.68] [195.224.17.68] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhebc-0000Un-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:47:01 +0000 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: the York conference Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:47:01 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Good day all, I must apologise (at late notice) for now not being at the York conference. We have been asked to undertake two presentations at short notice: one for a community access centre in East London and the other connected with our current Lottery bid for an Online Foundation. Both, sadly, demand my presence and it means I must miss the York proceedings. Please pass on my apologies to all there. I wish you all every success and look forward to following matters after the event. I assure you of our continuing support. David *************** David Fitzpatrick, M D Computer Access 90 De Beauvoir Road London N1 4EN Tel: 0171 241 2162 Fax: 0171 241 5007 David@access-it.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 15 18:17:45 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhf53-0000VZ-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:17:25 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhf52-0000VU-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:17:24 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2010181; 15 Dec 97 17:44 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:28:46 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: for those unable to come to York In-Reply-To: <1297182067MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <1297182067MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>, CLAIRE.SHEARMAN@MCR1.pop tel.org.uk writes >All feedback on the mapping discussion document is welcome - I'll do my best to >incorporate it into the sessions on Tuesday and Wednesday. >Claire > > What document? -- Geoff Walker, NEWcastle NEWnet Ltd. Telephone: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 16 10:00:16 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhtn7-0000lR-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:59:53 +0000 Received: from MCR1.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.15] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhtmz-0000lM-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:59:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:59:35 +0100 GMT From: CLAIRE.SHEARMAN@MCR1.poptel.org.uk Subject: problem with documents messages To: conet@ukco.org.uk Message-Id: <1297194791MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk For some reason, conet is bouncing them back to me. Will try to sort out. Apologies to those who wanted to contribute to the York discussions from afar. The spirit was willing, but the technology.... Claire From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 16 10:38:26 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhuOI-0000mL-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:38:18 +0000 Received: from [195.224.17.68] [195.224.17.68] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xhuOG-0000mG-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:38:17 +0000 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1297194791MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: problem with documents messages Cc: manar@ivision.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:38:17 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk a propos Claire's message re the technology: >For some reason, conet is bouncing them back to me. Will try to sort out. >Apologies to those who wanted >to contribute to the York discussions from >afar. The spirit was willing, but the technology.... Mmmm - not quite methinks. The technology is fine: the gateways to which it sends messages are not always so, esp for attachments which are often rejected by receiving gateways. Also, the Poptel gateway (from where Claire is sending mail) to this server has a limited number (3, I think) of accesses available at any one time. This can cause delays and returned mail. This is being discussed currently with Poptel. Also, I have noticed that people have subscribed mail addresses which are sometimes aliases or are addresses different from those they use for receipt of mail. I have asked Manar of Internet Vision to look into this: he will let the list know his findings. Cheers Hope York is going well... David From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 18 13:11:38 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xifi6-0001VS-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:09:54 +0000 Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.135] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xifi3-0001VN-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:09:52 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id IAA26070 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:08:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:32:07 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: European support for Quality of Life Network To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199712180733_MC2-2C69-84B5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hello David. I'm confident that what you have in mind can qualify for some kind of support under the Fifth Framework Programme, but there will not be calls for that= until late next year. Meanwhile, the activity you are proposing can receive some practical (as opposed to financial) support from the European Telework Development initiative, under our activities, which has provided some early support to EACN and ISdAC. This could include helping to present the ideas to relevant Commission staffs, and identifying opportunities for synergy with other initiatives such as EACN and ISdAC. If you'd like to discuss what we might do to help please send me a privat= e email. Best wishes, Horace Mitchell Programme Director, European Telework Development (ETD) http://www.eto.org.uk/etd ETD is an initiative supported by the European Commission (DGXIII) as part of the ACTS programme From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 18 18:31:06 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xiki3-0001an-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:12 +0000 Received: from uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.150] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xikhz-0001ai-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:08 +0000 Received: from midnet.com (uucp@localhost) by uugate1.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with UUCP id SAA15253 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:13 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: European support for Quality of Life Network Date: 18 Dec 1997 17:07:27 GMT Message-Id: <740098046.46492236@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi Horace (et al) On the subject of funding - the leaflet describing the new grants programme for the NLCB looks like it might provide opportunities for UKCO under the Community Involvement heading: Community is defined as a geographical group of people or a group of people with common interests. One of the things they aim to fund is: "Support for voluntary and community groups - projects run by organisations such as umbrella bodies, councils for voluntary service, development agencies and resource centres which can help voluntary and community groups become more efficient and effective" Simon Berry 18/12/97 Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 18 22:06:42 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xio4r-0001dt-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:05:57 +0000 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xio4p-0001do-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:05:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 9727 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1997 22:06:02 -0000 Received: from al138.du.pipex.com (HELO smtp.dial.pipex.com) (193.130.251.138) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1997 22:06:02 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: UKCO seeking funding from National Lottery Community Involvement From: David Lloyd To: conet@ukco.org.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:05:56 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk This is the same NLB board which we applied for the Quality of Life Network under. I would support any bid for UKCO which was made. If you want any help let me know. There is a particular emphasis on consortia which UKCO would be able to pull together very easily. David **************************************** David Lloyd Development Officer Pioneer Health Centre c/o26 Suffolk Rd Southsea HANTS PO4 8EJ UK Tel/fax 01705 755540 yu07@dial.pipex.com **************************************** ---------- > From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Subject: Re: European support for Quality of Life Network > Date: 18 Dec 1997 17:07:27 GMT > > Return-Path: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk > Delivered-To: yu07@dial.pipex.com > Received: (qmail 15286 invoked by uid 5014); 18 Dec 1997 18:42:36 -0000 > Delivered-To: d#-dplloyd@dial.pipex.com > Received: (qmail 15271 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1997 18:42:35 -0000 > Received: from teletub.teleregion.org.uk (HELO teletub) (195.224.17.126) > by depot.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1997 18:42:35 -0000 > Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) > id 0xiki3-0001an-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:12 +0000 > Received: from uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.150] > by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) > id 0xikhz-0001ai-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:08 +0000 > Received: from midnet.com (uucp@localhost) > by uugate1.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with UUCP id SAA15253 > for conet@ukco.org.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:13 GMT > From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Subject: Re: European support for Quality of Life Network > Date: 18 Dec 1997 17:07:27 GMT > Message-Id: <740098046.46492236@midnet.com> > Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK > Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk > > Hi Horace (et al) > > On the subject of funding - the leaflet describing the new grants programme > for the NLCB looks like it might provide opportunities for UKCO under the > Community Involvement heading: > > Community is defined as a geographical group of people or a group of people > with common interests. > One of the things they aim to fund is: "Support for voluntary and community > groups - projects run by organisations such as umbrella bodies, councils for > voluntary service, development agencies and resource centres which can help > voluntary and community groups become more efficient and effective" > > Simon Berry > 18/12/97 > > Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - > http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Dec 18 22:06:55 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xio5m-0001e7-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:06:54 +0000 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xio5k-0001e2-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:06:53 +0000 Received: (qmail 9727 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1997 22:06:02 -0000 Received: from al138.du.pipex.com (HELO smtp.dial.pipex.com) (193.130.251.138) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1997 22:06:02 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: UKCO seeking funding from National Lottery Community Involvement From: David Lloyd To: conet@ukco.org.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:06:53 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk This is the same NLB board which we applied for the Quality of Life Network under. I would support any bid for UKCO which was made. If you want any help let me know. There is a particular emphasis on consortia which UKCO would be able to pull together very easily. David **************************************** David Lloyd Development Officer Pioneer Health Centre c/o26 Suffolk Rd Southsea HANTS PO4 8EJ UK Tel/fax 01705 755540 yu07@dial.pipex.com **************************************** ---------- > From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Subject: Re: European support for Quality of Life Network > Date: 18 Dec 1997 17:07:27 GMT > > Return-Path: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk > Delivered-To: yu07@dial.pipex.com > Received: (qmail 15286 invoked by uid 5014); 18 Dec 1997 18:42:36 -0000 > Delivered-To: d#-dplloyd@dial.pipex.com > Received: (qmail 15271 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1997 18:42:35 -0000 > Received: from teletub.teleregion.org.uk (HELO teletub) (195.224.17.126) > by depot.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1997 18:42:35 -0000 > Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) > id 0xiki3-0001an-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:12 +0000 > Received: from uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.150] > by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) > id 0xikhz-0001ai-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:08 +0000 > Received: from midnet.com (uucp@localhost) > by uugate1.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with UUCP id SAA15253 > for conet@ukco.org.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:30:13 GMT > From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Subject: Re: European support for Quality of Life Network > Date: 18 Dec 1997 17:07:27 GMT > Message-Id: <740098046.46492236@midnet.com> > Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK > Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk > > Hi Horace (et al) > > On the subject of funding - the leaflet describing the new grants programme > for the NLCB looks like it might provide opportunities for UKCO under the > Community Involvement heading: > > Community is defined as a geographical group of people or a group of people > with common interests. > One of the things they aim to fund is: "Support for voluntary and community > groups - projects run by organisations such as umbrella bodies, councils for > voluntary service, development agencies and resource centres which can help > voluntary and community groups become more efficient and effective" > > Simon Berry > 18/12/97 > > Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - > http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Dec 19 10:06:31 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xizJF-0001qJ-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:05:33 +0000 Received: from [195.224.17.68] [195.224.17.68] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xizJD-0001qE-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:05:32 +0000 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: National Lotterygrant aid Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:05:32 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk A propos Simon Berry's & David Lloyd's recent mails re Lotteries Board funding. ************* There may be an hiatus with new members joining this since since, as many of you know (and have supported formally), a 1.3 million pounds bid went in to the Charities Board this round to set up a national Online Foundation for the UK under the "support for community orgs" bit of the process. This has successfully jumped several of the many hurdles and, in Jan/Feb will be being subjected to come rigourous testing here in Hackney. Its aims reflect many elements of UKCO (and UKCOD) (indeed, UKCO members have been key to the development of this bid) and, if successful, many elements would be delivered by UKCO. Once I know of progress, I will - of course - let the list know. Cheers - and a very merry Christmas, a happy, healthy and multi-linked 1998 to you all from here in darkest Hackney. David *************** David Fitzpatrick, M D Computer Access 90 De Beauvoir Road London N1 4EN Tel: 0171 241 2162 Fax: 0171 241 5007 David@access-it.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Dec 20 10:02:15 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xjLj8-0002jP-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:01:46 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xjLj7-0002jK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:01:45 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2014508; 20 Dec 97 10:01 GMT Message-ID: <52ZFKBAwW5m0EwMW@geoffw.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:53:52 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: [CONet] Living Village Trust MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi All! I am trying to email The Living Village Trust but... neither...living.village@btinternet.co...or... living.village@btinternet.co.uk are working. Any ideas out there? -- Geoff Walker, NEWcastle NEWnet Ltd. Telephone: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 09:05:01 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk3mi-0003PS-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:04:24 +0000 Received: from ribble.csc.liv.ac.uk [138.253.42.178] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk3mg-0003PN-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:04:22 +0000 Received: from ness.csc.liv.ac.uk (bin@ness.csc.liv.ac.uk [138.253.142.217]) by ribble.csc.liv.ac.uk (8.8.8/LUCS-DTS-2.1R) with ESMTP id JAA19861; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:04:37 GMT From: Irene Neilson Received: (from ien@localhost) by ness.csc.liv.ac.uk (8.8.8/LUCS-DTS-3.0D10) id JAA01927 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:04:36 GMT Message-Id: <199712220904.JAA01927@ness.csc.liv.ac.uk> Subject: [CONet] York Money To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:04:36 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Ann Holmes" at Dec 3, 97 03:42:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi Anne, I have forgotten my cheque book today so will send you money when I get home. I understanmd that I owe you 58.75 for York. Can you confirm and let me know the address I should send the cheque to and who I should make it out to. Many thanks, Irene -- Dr Irene Neilson, Room 1.09, Connect, The University of Liverpool No. 3 Brownlow Street Liverpool L69 3GL Tel: 0151-794-8281 Fax: 0151-794-8270 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 09:32:45 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk4E4-0003QN-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:32:40 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk4E2-0003QI-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:32:38 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2002776; 22 Dec 97 9:24 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:21:26 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] York Money In-Reply-To: <199712220904.JAA01927@ness.csc.liv.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <199712220904.JAA01927@ness.csc.liv.ac.uk>, Irene Neilson writes >Hi Anne, > >I have forgotten my cheque book today so will send you money when I get home. I >understanmd that I owe you 58.75 for York. > >Can you confirm and let me know the address I should send the cheque to and who >I should make it out to. > >Many thanks, > >Irene Sorry to be a pain...But are we to consider this as a discussion item for the list! Perhaps someone can sort out some automail groundrules for people!!! -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 13:04:36 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk7X0-0003Tp-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:04:26 +0000 Received: from mcmail.com [195.44.0.12] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk7Wy-0003Tk-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:04:24 +0000 Received: from default by mcmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA06798; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:56:39 GMT Message-ID: <349E66EC.1CBB@mcmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:11:08 +0000 From: Drew Mackie X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IDv3b (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: [CONet] Communities Online Game References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi All I am about to modify the game played at York in line with the comments made on the day. If anyone has further advice, ideas etc. I would be very pleased to hear from them. All the best for the coming festivities! Drew Mackie From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 14:00:57 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk8PY-0003V1-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:00:48 +0000 Received: from post.swi.galileo.com [193.122.0.1] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk8PR-0003Um-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:00:46 +0000 Received: from swiexc01.swi.galileo.com by post.swi.galileo.com id NAA27983 (ElectricMail-MESSAGE-2.1); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:51:35 GMT Received: by swiexc01.swi.galileo.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0EE1.6B3619A0@swiexc01.swi.galileo.com>; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Williamson, John" To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Cc: "'Marguerita Carrington'" , "'max barton at home'" Subject: RE: [CONet] Communities Online Game Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:56:35 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Drew et al, I am new here. I was at the conf. in London but couldn't make York. Also, as all this is in support (I think!!) of getting communities on-line, I seem to not have what it takes to get underneath some of these messages - ie I only have email at present - not full internet - so I am one of the formation have nots'! Please could people be a little more specific in their communication if it is of a general nature so bods like me do not feel even more marginalised?? A plea from the heart and I think in accord with what Geoff posted on ground-rules. It seems to me as if this is almost a club for the elite at present. Please correct me and enlighten me!! Drew, I may have ideas if I knew what this was about - I know a game was in the offing, but have received nothing on its content! So at the moment this sounds worrying!! Seasons greetings, and Peace and Joy to all. John Williamson Director and Treasurer Meeting Point Bristol A member of the Telework, Telecentre and Telecottage Association. >---------- >From: Drew Mackie[SMTP:admac@mcmail.com] >Sent: 22 December 1997 13:11 >To: conet@ukco.org.uk >Subject: [CONet] Communities Online Game > >Hi All >I am about to modify the game played at York in line with the comments >made on the day. If anyone has further advice, ideas etc. I would be >very pleased to hear from them. > >All the best for the coming festivities! > >Drew Mackie > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 14:48:55 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk99v-0003Vm-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:48:43 +0000 Received: from mcmail.com [195.44.0.12] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk99t-0003Vh-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:48:41 +0000 Received: from default by mcmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA27196; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:41:41 GMT Message-ID: <349E7F02.5F28@mcmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:56:10 +0000 From: Drew Mackie X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IDv3b (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: [CONet] Communities Online Game References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Williamson, John wrote: > > Drew et al, > > I am new here. I was at the conf. in London but couldn't make York. > Also, as all this is in support (I think!!) of getting communities > on-line, I seem to not have what it takes to get underneath some of > these messages - ie I only have email at present - not full internet - > so I am one of the formation have nots'! > > Please could people be a little more specific in their communication if > it is of a general nature so bods like me do not feel even more > marginalised?? A plea from the heart and I think in accord with what > Geoff posted on ground-rules. It seems to me as if this is almost a club > for the elite at present. Please correct me and enlighten me!! > > Drew, I may have ideas if I knew what this was about - I know a game was > in the offing, but have received nothing on its content! So at the > moment this sounds worrying!! > > Seasons greetings, and Peace and Joy to all. > > John Williamson > Director and Treasurer > Meeting Point > Bristol > A member of the Telework, Telecentre and Telecottage Association. > > >---------- > >From: Drew Mackie[SMTP:admac@mcmail.com] > >Sent: 22 December 1997 13:11 > >To: conet@ukco.org.uk > >Subject: [CONet] Communities Online Game > > > >Hi All > >I am about to modify the game played at York in line with the comments > >made on the day. If anyone has further advice, ideas etc. I would be > >very pleased to hear from them. > > > >All the best for the coming festivities! > > > >Drew Mackie > > > > John Sorry if it all sounds a bit mysterious. For the benefit of you and those others who did not get to York, I presented an early version of a card cgame for use by communities and those who might be about to design a community network. This used simple combinations of cards to define: * an initial community situation * the major concerns of that community * a number of online projects and programmes Teams were asked to discuss these and to create arguments as to how these elements might be combined to form a community network. These arguments were presented to the other teams and a vote taken on the best case. The purpose of the game was to provide a simple framework for discussion covering a wide range of experience. Some elements worked well. Others need redesign, hence my call for comments and ideas from those who went York. Hope this helps! Drew Mackie From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 15:26:38 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk9kY-0003Wy-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:26:34 +0000 Received: from beryl.sol.co.uk [194.247.64.190] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk9kT-0003Wt-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:26:29 +0000 Received: from [148.176.232.11] (e1c1p11.scotland.net [148.176.232.11]) by beryl.sol.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01277 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:21:09 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:21:09 GMT Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199712220904.JAA01927@ness.csc.liv.ac.uk> References: from "Ann Holmes" at Dec 3, 97 03:42:14 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: ruralforum Subject: [CONet] Wrong Address Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk >Hi Anne, > >I have forgotten my cheque book today so will send you money when I get >home. I >understanmd that I owe you 58.75 for York. > >Can you confirm and let me know the address I should send the cheque to >and who >I should make it out to. > >Many thanks, > >Irene > > >-- >Dr Irene Neilson, >Room 1.09, Connect, >The University of Liverpool >No. 3 Brownlow Street >Liverpool >L69 3GL > >Tel: 0151-794-8281 Fax: 0151-794-8270 To Whom it may concern, Your e-mail keeps coming through to Rural Forum. Please be careful as this is a e-mail goes through to our administration office and I don't think this is who the mail is meant for. Regards Amanda Hunt Information Assistant message from rural@ruralforum.org.uk visit our new website at http://www.ruralforum.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 15:31:45 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk9pY-0003XI-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:31:44 +0000 Received: from beryl.sol.co.uk [194.247.65.190] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xk9pV-0003XD-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:31:42 +0000 Received: from [148.176.232.11] (e1c1p11.scotland.net [148.176.232.11]) by beryl.sol.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01451 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:26:19 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:26:19 GMT Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199712220904.JAA01927@ness.csc.liv.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: ruralforum Subject: Re: [CONet] York Money Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk >In message <199712220904.JAA01927@ness.csc.liv.ac.uk>, Irene Neilson > writes >>Hi Anne, >> >>I have forgotten my cheque book today so will send you money when I get >>home. I >>understanmd that I owe you 58.75 for York. >> >>Can you confirm and let me know the address I should send the cheque to >>and who >>I should make it out to. >> >>Many thanks, >> >>Irene > >Sorry to be a pain...But are we to consider this as a discussion item >for the list! >Perhaps someone can sort out some automail groundrules for people!!! >-- >Geoff Walker >Research & Development >Community & Leisure Services >Newcastle City Council >Civic Centre >Newcastle upon Tyne >UK >NE1 8PN > >Tel: +44 191 211 6222 >Fax: +44 191 211 6276 > >Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk >WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm > > To Whom it may concern, Please note that your e-mails are coming to Rural Forum in Perth and not to the correct address. message from rural@ruralforum.org.uk visit our new website at http://www.ruralforum.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 16:04:55 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkALX-0003Y3-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:04:47 +0000 Received: from post.swi.galileo.com [193.122.0.1] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkALV-0003Xy-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:04:45 +0000 Received: from swiexc01.swi.galileo.com by post.swi.galileo.com id PAA29133 (ElectricMail-MESSAGE-2.1); Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:55:37 GMT Received: by swiexc01.swi.galileo.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0EF2.BDD59E90@swiexc01.swi.galileo.com>; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:00:36 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Williamson, John" To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Cc: "'Marguerita Carrington'" , "'max barton at home'" Subject: RE: [CONet] Communities Online Game Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:00:34 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Drew wrote - and thanks Drew... >John >Sorry if it all sounds a bit mysterious. For the benefit of you and >those others who did not get to York, I presented an early version of a >card cgame for use by communities and those who might be about to design >a community network. This used simple combinations of cards to define: >* an initial community situation >* the major concerns of that community >* a number of online projects and programmes >Teams were asked to discuss these and to create arguments as to how >these elements might be combined to form a community network. These >arguments were presented to the other teams and a vote taken on the best >case. >The purpose of the game was to provide a simple framework for discussion >covering a wide range of experience. Some elements worked well. Others >need redesign, hence my call for comments and ideas from those who went >York. >Hope this helps! > >Drew Mackie yes thanks - but I'm guessing that this may be a forerunner to the 'design game which will help different interests in an area plan their on-line community' as per the info sheet 'A new campaign to promote community networking in the UK'. It sounds just the kind of input we are looking for. Will the results be on the archive (which I cannot access yet as I'm one of the 'marginalised'..!) or can I get hold of them some other way? Or do I wait for the formal launch in March... Thanks again. John > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 16:24:37 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkAeZ-0003Yf-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:24:27 +0000 Received: from iepala.eurosur.org [194.179.63.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkAeT-0003Ya-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:24:21 +0000 Received: from eurosur.org (ext171.eurosur.org [194.179.63.171]) by iepala.eurosur.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11040 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:23:25 +0100 Message-ID: <349E9395.757B7C80@eurosur.org> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:21:41 +0100 From: "Andrés Dochao" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "conet@ukco.org.uk" Subject: [CONet] [Fwd: UKCO Brussels meeting cancelled] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6F9CB341A2AB89A44B46B982" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Este es un mensaje multipartes en formato MIME. --------------6F9CB341A2AB89A44B46B982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------6F9CB341A2AB89A44B46B982 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <349E5290.737D8C8B@eurosur.org> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:44:17 +0100 From: "Andrés Dochao" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wilcox , Artur Serra , Bernard Leach , Dan Jellinek , Marco Pieretti , "protocol@ectf.org.uk" CC: co-europe@loud-n-clear.com, iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk, eacn@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: UKCO Brussels meeting cancelled References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by iepala.eurosur.org id RAA11040 Dear David and friends, I am writing you in order to inform that EPITELIO= is promoting the key role and participation of EACN within the next European Conference to be held in Barcelona. As it was proposed to DG XIII, EPITEL= IO will focus its project=B4 stand on EACN members, Civic and Communitty Network objectives and activities across Europe. The stand will be divided in two= part: one attending the Civic Networks and the other expressing the work within= a Communitty Network. The simulation of two spaces will be completed within= these two spaces with posters and brochures from EACN members under the role of= their actors as NGOs and Local Social and Economic Agencies (respectively, dete= rmining so far as possible the Communitty and Civic networks areas). Artur Serra and me have the commitment to have the EPITELIO tools activat= ed and under suitable use for showing the key role of EACN within the idea of th= e "Advancing the Inofrmation Society". By this reason we are managing not j= ust a good stand instead a place for having succesive introduction on activitie= s linked to EACN and EPITELIO as common framework and telematic tools used = by EACN members. This workplan should allow to us the possibility to place meetin= g among EACN members. For such purpose we will manage with our Project Officer th= e possibility of extra funding for travels and for carrying materials for t= he satnd in Barcelona and, indirectly, for allowing us EACN meetings. I would like to know now (and urgently) the list of persons with interest= to come to Barcelona, as well as a list of materials (posters, bhochures, portfolios, etc) to be shown in the EACN stand promoted by EPITELIO. Looking forward for hearing from you soon. Sincerely Andr=E9s Dochao Note: A part of the EPITELIO management committe will have a a meeting in Barcelona (30th of December) for preparing the EACN workplan before, duri= ng and after the Conference. It will include the preparation of the suitable EPI= TELIO Telematics Tools for EACN purposes and members ( news on WWW for discussi= ons and work groups within EACN. Agendas, and others. --------------6F9CB341A2AB89A44B46B982-- From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 17:02:45 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkBFZ-0003d5-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:02:41 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkBFX-0003d0-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:02:39 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1019929; 22 Dec 97 16:43 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:42:13 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] Wrong Address In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message , ruralforum writes >To Whom it may concern, > >Your e-mail keeps coming through to Rural Forum. Please be careful as this >is a e-mail goes through to our administration office and I don't think >this is who the mail is meant for. Time for a spot of *housekeeping* I feel...While Michael and David are roaming the fields who is keeping the front room warm...Anybody? -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 22 18:41:51 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkCnB-0003ed-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:41:29 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkCn6-0003eY-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:41:27 +0000 Received: from default (dialup1-16.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.80]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA10989 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:41:36 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971222183559.007b3b80@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: communities@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:35:59 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: "UKCO: Peter Mason" Subject: Re: [CONet] Wrong Address In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Geoff wrote >Time for a spot of *housekeeping* I feel...While Michael and David are >roaming the fields who is keeping the front room warm...Anybody? Hello all from the housekeeper! I'm dusting down the mailing list set-up at the moment and would welcome any input in the process - in fact I think it's vital. Apologies for the problems with "personal" emails. Please check what appears in your Message To: box. Over the next couple of days, the main UKCO mailing lists will be getting subject prefixes, web archives and auto-subscription forms. See http://www.communities.org.uk/joinin for details. Sorry if you experience any problems over this period, but no messages should be lost. These lists are co-announce (run by the core team), conet, eacn and co-forum. While I am a housekeeper for these lists, there may be more features we wish to develop, and more lists for specific interest areas. My first suggestion would be a list for this type of discussion, leaving the CONet list free for other Community Networking issues. Please let me know what you think Some ideas for possible next steps: a. Setting up digests and identifying someone to take on this task. b. Identifying regular contributors/facilitators for the discussion c. Use of list co-forum as a list for development of the "Forum" (map, web site, network, collaboration platform etc.) d. Set up FAQs for conet e. Set up ground rules for conet (any ideas Geoff?) f. Dealing with files (at least until the FirstClass system becomes available?) Best wishes for New Year Peter At 16:42 22/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >In message , ruralforum > writes >>To Whom it may concern, >> >>Your e-mail keeps coming through to Rural Forum. Please be careful as this >>is a e-mail goes through to our administration office and I don't think >>this is who the mail is meant for. > >Time for a spot of *housekeeping* I feel...While Michael and David are >roaming the fields who is keeping the front room warm...Anybody? >-- >Geoff Walker -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ UK Communities Online mailto:info@communities.org.uk http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list: mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 09:13:00 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkQNy-0003vU-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:12:22 +0000 Received: from all-yours [206.217.169.248] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkQNr-0003vP-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:12:20 +0000 Received: (from allyours@localhost) by all-yours (8.7.6/8.6.9) id BAA31675; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:12:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:12:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199712230912.BAA31675@all-yours> From: "David Fitzpatrick" To: "Conet" Subject: [CONet] Season's Greetings from Computer Access! Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk A Digital Postcard is waiting for you at our virtual post office! You have heard of e-cash: this is e-cards! The paperless revolution is coming... David Fitzpatrick sent you a free Christmas Digital Postcard. You can pick it up here: http://www.all-yours.net/postcard/ Follow instructions on this Web page. If you don't claim your Digital Postcard within 2 weeks, our postal clerk may discard it. So don't hesitate and have fun! To view your Digital Postcard, you need to enter your card's ID number 28683425-co ------------------------ (c) The Digital Postcard Provided as a free service by All-Yours Internet Solutions [0] http://www.all-yours.net/ webmaster@all-yours.net From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 11:49:15 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkSpa-0003xs-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:49:02 +0000 Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.206.136] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkSpY-0003xn-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:49:00 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id GAA14970 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 06:48:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 06:34:40 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: [CONet] Epitelio @ Barcelona To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199712230636_MC2-2CF1-8ECB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hello Andr=E9s. At present the ETD initiative is not likely to be directly represented at= Barcelona, but our Project Manager, Jeremy Millard, is I think planning t= o be there in connection with a TAP project called TWEURO. I have been waiting to see what kind of EACN meeting will be planned, its very good to know EPITELIO is supporting this. If you need any help with online promotion of the activity we will be gla= d to do so throught the European Telework Online website; I hope that by the time of Barcelona we will have additional material online relevant= to telecentres and their role in local economic and social development. Best wishes, Horace Mitchell Programme Director, European Telework Development http://www.eto.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 12:31:55 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkTUY-0003yl-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:31:22 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkTUT-0003yg-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:31:19 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25129 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:31:25 GMT Message-Id: <199712231231.MAA25129@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:31:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: [CONet] Communities Online Game In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Greetings John Williams (fellow TCA member) and everyone else at this festive time of year. > > Please could people be a little more specific in their communication if > it is of a general nature so bods like me do not feel even more > marginalised?? A plea from the heart and I think in accord with what > Geoff posted on ground-rules. It seems to me as if this is almost a club > for the elite at present. Please correct me and enlighten me!! > I would agree that list servers such as this need ground rules otherwise they can get mis-used and bombard users with unwanted spam. I am a member of several such lists and get aroiund 50 emails each day to deal with - sometimes rather more. It is most important to users that people learn how to use their email software properly. On many such lists, new users learn how to use their reply button and simply hit that when ever they want to send a reply - on a list such as this, that is not always the right thing to do. List managers are torn between letting anything happen on a list -- with the envitable fear of loosing subscribers who get fed up with the mess resulting from a free for all - and the acusation that it is a club for the IT elite. CONET would I am sure be the last group to want to conciously promulgate elitist attitudes to technology - but I fear that unless some simple ground rules are established with the regular users the list would be less than effective as a medium for exchanging information and discussing issues of importance to us all. I myself feel it is appropriate for list managers to post information on a regular basis about how to use the list and to provide answers to frequently asked questions. It is important to the success of this list (as with all others) that netiquette is understood. Happy Christmas everyone Trevor Locke International Digital Conferencing Study Group http://members.aol.com/webwork/digiconf/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 14:31:07 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkVMC-000410-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:30:52 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkVM9-00040v-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:30:50 +0000 Received: from Michael.newtel.org.uk ([151.133.225.6]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with SMTP id OAA26027 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:30:21 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971223140107.00867c60@geo2.poptel.org.uk> X-Sender: aston-ciu@geo2.poptel.org.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:01:07 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Michael Mulquin Subject: [CONet] RE: Ground rules for the use of CONET In-Reply-To: <199712231231.MAA25129@quark.foobar.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear all, As there has been a certain amount of comment on the use,or misuse, of this list, let me just add my piece! People have been responding to two different mailings. One was a mailing obviously intended as a message to Ann Holmes, but sent to the whole list. This was clearly a simple mistake, (which I have also myself embarasingly made once or twice). Ann posted a letter to the list and it had her signature at the end. Someone clicked through their email, saw that letter and then clicked the reply button, not realising that as the letter had been actually sent out by the conet listserver, their message would be sent out to conet and not to the person who originally wrote the letter. This is a mistake very easy to make. We just need to be very careful, before we click the reply button on our email software, to check the actual address from where the message has come to us. The second mail was again, I think, a matter of a message written in a hurry. The message requesting feedback about the game would have been much clearer if it had been stated at the beginning that it was only intended for conet members who had attended our York event and not for everyone on the list. I think it fair enough, from time to time, to send messages to the list that are not meant for everybody as long as there are no more sensible ways to do it. What is important is that we must make it quite clear which members of the list that our letter is addressed to. If possible this should be done in the subject line, so that those people for whom the message is not relevant can automatically delete it. The one rule that I keep reminding myself of is to never simply write and send an email. I try to make it a habit of re reading my email at least once, to make sure that it is clear, before sending it. I almost always need to rewrite something which doesn't make sense when I re read it. Does all that make sense? I guess this is a good time to remind ourselves of the need to be thoughtful of others as well as being tolerant of their mistakes. Have a fabulous festive season and look forward to seeing you all soon!! Michael Mulquin Aston Community Involvement Unit/UK Communities Online Durning Hall, Forest Gate, London E7 9AB, England Tel +44 (0)181 519 2244 Fax +44 (0)181 519 5472 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 16:01:09 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkWlM-00042a-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:00:56 +0000 Received: from arl-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.217.140] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkWlK-00042L-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:00:54 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id LAA28272 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:00:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:39:32 -0500 From: Alan Denbigh Subject: [CONet] COMMUNICATION To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199712231040_MC2-2CF9-AE28@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk At the risk of sounding like an unreconstructed Stalinist I would strongl= y urge close moderation of this list - I surely can't be the only one thinking ......(eh oh) not a CONET email rash again ! = After months of watching various On-Line forums become talking shops whic= h a small elite of people with the time to do it take over, and being on t= he receiving end of list serves that spew out 50 emails every time someone coughs, we set up TCA OnLine which our members get once per week (and occasionally less than this !).... Every suggestion gets put into it and it gets consolidated for the week. = It appears to be quite well received and we have only had two complaints about the fact that it is not highly interactive. Why not have a CONET in-tray and take daily postings into this, consolidate and send out twice per week if necessary. It might mean that= the important messages get read. At the moment the CONET list serve come= s over as more an irritation than a help - and I know there is some good information there which could easily be missed simply because it is burie= d in a pile of other things. = Yours controversially but hopefully being constructive rather than critic= al for the hell of it..... Alan Denbigh From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 16:19:20 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkX38-00042y-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:19:18 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.150] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkX34-00042t-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:19:17 +0000 Received: from midnet.com (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with UUCP id QAA01267 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:19:29 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: [CONet] Living Village Trust Date: 23 Dec 1997 12:19:05 GMT Message-Id: <2388959167.71393718@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk > I am trying to email The Living Village Trust but... > neither...living.village@btinternet.co...or... > living.village@btinternet.co.uk are working. Any ideas out there? That's email address I have - their phone number is: 01588 638 958 Regards Simon 23/12/97 Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 16:45:14 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkXS5-00043Y-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:45:05 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkXS2-00043T-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:45:03 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1015747; 23 Dec 97 16:43 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:41:56 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] RE: Ground rules for the use of CONET In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971223140107.00867c60@geo2.poptel.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <3.0.3.32.19971223140107.00867c60@geo2.poptel.org.uk>, Michael Mulquin writes >Dear all, >As there has been a certain amount of comment on the use,or misuse, of this >list, let me just add my piece! > How bizarre...How bizarre...Now Big Daddy has took to making Stalin-like pronouncements on the conet list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW: THIS IS A JOKE! Michael, We do really need to sort this out! Peter Mason has begun the process and I have commented on his work to date in a conet mailing. Love and Peace Man hohohohohohohoho ANOTHER JOKE! -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 16:49:32 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkXWO-00043m-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:49:32 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkXWM-00043h-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:49:30 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1013913; 23 Dec 97 16:33 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:32:50 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] Wrong Address In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971222183559.007b3b80@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <3.0.1.32.19971222183559.007b3b80@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk>, "UKCO: Peter Mason" writes >While I am a housekeeper for these lists, there may be more features we >wish to develop, and more lists for specific interest areas. Have we still got the one for Internet Training? I think this would be a good one and I could *bridge it* to the NetTrain mailing list in the USA. Also, we need a techie list...Or is this it? >My first >suggestion would be a list for this type of discussion, What type of discussion is this? A technical/practical one? >leaving the CONet >list free for other Community Networking issues. Please let me know what >you think > >Some ideas for possible next steps: >a. Setting up digests and identifying someone to take on this task. What do you see as the purpose of this? >b. Identifying regular contributors/facilitators for the discussion >c. Use of list co-forum as a list for development of the "Forum" (map, web >site, network, collaboration platform etc.) >d. Set up FAQs for conet >e. Set up ground rules for conet (any ideas Geoff?) Some, first stab...Others can add... 1. This mailing list is for discussion and the dissemination of information on community networking the UK. 2. Please do not use the list for person to person emails or to discuss matters soleley of a personal nature. 3. Do not cross-post or spam this list. 4. When introducing a new subject for discussion ensure that the subject header you enter is relevant to the content of the email. 5. Restrict your signature to no more than 4 lines of text in total. 6. Do not use ASCII art in your signature file. 7. When posting to the list for the first time please supply some biographical text of no more than 200 words. 8. Edit the email you are replying to so only the relevant pieces of text to which you are replying are visible. >f. Dealing with files (at least until the FirstClass system becomes >available?) -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 17:33:30 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkYCj-00044f-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:33:17 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkYCi-00044a-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:33:16 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1026171; 23 Dec 97 17:25 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:24:09 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION In-Reply-To: <199712231040_MC2-2CF9-AE28@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <199712231040_MC2-2CF9-AE28@compuserve.com>, Alan Denbigh writes >Why not have a CONET in-tray and take daily postings into this, >consolidate and send out twice per week if necessary. It might mean that >the important messages get read. At the moment the CONET list serve comes >over as more an irritation than a help - and I know there is some good >information there which could easily be missed simply because it is buried >in a pile of other things. Good idea! -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Dec 23 18:01:44 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkYeD-00045T-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:01:41 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkYeC-00045O-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:01:40 +0000 Received: from Michael.newtel.org.uk ([151.133.225.6]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with SMTP id SAA29028 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:01:58 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971223173147.006eddb4@geo2.poptel.org.uk> X-Sender: aston-ciu@geo2.poptel.org.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:31:47 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Michael Mulquin Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION In-Reply-To: <199712231040_MC2-2CF9-AE28@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk At 10:39 23/12/97 -0500, Alan Denbigh wrote: >At the risk of sounding like an unreconstructed Stalinist I would strongly >urge close moderation of this list Thanks Alan, and the rest of you who have been indicating a slight sense of irritation at our unwieldy email discussion list. As Peter Mason indicated, we are reviewing things at the moment. In fact the staff team will be meeting on 7th Jan to review our communications strategy. Any emails to me or to Peter, with suggestions as to how we can best set things up to make communications with each other as much a joy and a help as possible, gratefully received!! Michael Mulquin Aston Community Involvement Unit/UK Communities Online Durning Hall, Forest Gate, London E7 9AB, England Tel +44 (0)181 519 2244 Fax +44 (0)181 519 5472 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 24 10:02:04 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkncu-0004KN-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:01:20 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkncs-0004KI-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:01:18 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14967 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:01:31 GMT Message-Id: <199712241001.KAA14967@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:01:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [CONet] Wrong Address In-reply-to: References: <3.0.1.32.19971222183559.007b3b80@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Some, first stab...Others can add... > > 1. This mailing list is for discussion and the dissemination of > information on community networking the UK. ok > > 2. Please do not use the list for person to person emails or to discuss > matters soleley of a personal nature. ok > > 3. Do not cross-post or spam this list. I agree that spamming should be banned but cross posting is slightly difficult since there are sometimes legitimate reasons by someone would wish to post an announcement (e.g. a conference or a new web site) to several lists. Normally such postings commence with an apology to those who get it more than once because that subscribe to several lists. > > 4. When introducing a new subject for discussion ensure that the subject > header you enter is relevant to the content of the email. ok > all the rest is ok > > >f. Dealing with files (at least until the FirstClass system becomes > >available?) I would recommend the additional of the following rule: Do not send any attachments of any kind to the list. If you have a file which you would like people to see, either (a) add to a web site and invite people to go there to view it or (b) announce its existence and invite people to apply to you for a copy ot it. Some subscribers have no facilities to view attachments, others deliberately switch off attachment facilities to guard against virus infection and others might not have the software needed to view a particular attachement (e.g. a Word document). regards and Merry Christmas everyone Trevor Locke Event & Project Services - Conferencing and Project Development Helping the world to talk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 24 10:30:45 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xko5K-0004Ky-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:30:42 +0000 Received: from post.swi.galileo.com [193.122.0.1] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xko5D-0004Kq-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:30:38 +0000 Received: from swiexc01.swi.galileo.com by post.swi.galileo.com id KAA12744 (ElectricMail-MESSAGE-2.1); Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:21:10 GMT Received: by swiexc01.swi.galileo.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1056.5A2DBA20@swiexc01.swi.galileo.com>; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:26:10 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Williamson, John" To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Subject: RE: [CONet] Wrong Address Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:26:07 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Trevor wrote: (what I agreed with has been snipped for space) > >I would recommend the additional of the following rule: > >Do not send any attachments of any kind to the list. If you have a >file which you would like people to see, either (a) add to a web site >and invite people to go there to view it or (b) announce its >existence and invite people to apply to you for a copy ot it. Can this be changed please to (a) AND (b) - some members do not have full internet (such as myself), so we are constantly irritated and excluded if info is only available on the web. Thank-you! > >regards and Merry Christmas everyone Ditto. John Williamson (aka John Williams erroneously at times!) > > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 24 13:36:36 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkqyv-0004Ni-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:36:17 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkqyq-0004Nd-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:36:12 +0000 Received: from [194.207.106.26] (pool-026.fastnet.co.uk [194.207.106.26]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA07062 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:36:26 GMT X-Sender: scipmark@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971223173147.006eddb4@geo2.poptel.org.uk> References: <199712231040_MC2-2CF9-AE28@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:02:33 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Mark Walker Subject: [CONet] Re: ukco meeting Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk dear michael As Peter Mason >indicated, we are reviewing things at the moment. In fact the staff team >will be meeting on 7th Jan to review our communications strategy. Any >emails to me or to Peter, with suggestions as to how we can best set things >up to make communications with each other as much a joy and a help as >possible, gratefully received!! i don't have this date in my diary - should I have? need to just clarify my role within the group - am happy to guided entirely by you. I can see advantages in being part of the decision-making process (if that is what the team meeting represents) building on the work at Cambridge, but am also happy to be directed or to only engage with specific projects ie stepping back from the more strategic role which the group is taking I can start work with David immediately on an article for ASLIB which needs completing, the Demo, a local run through of the Game and other discussion about project partnerships. I will deal with him directly, but keping you informed of progress, usually by copying you into emails I think I also need some discussion about web pages, SCIP's role, Pete and me, etc, which should ideally be with you .... because they relate to UKCO's Campaign and Network roles. I am able to discuss either contracting as Pete & Mark (either individually or through one of us) or by commissioning SCIP to carry out certain functions, for which Pete, myself and perhaps others will sub-contract. I think you have said you would prefer to work through SCIP, which makes sense to me as UKCO can be seen to support local projects. I have discussed this with SCIP's chairperson (Peter Day of University of Brighton) and he sees no problem with this arrangement. I am being as straightforward as possible to make sure things are less muddled than they have sometimes been in the past. I will always seek to clarify arrangements with you, especially when discussed with David, as I believe it will help to more firmly establish your role as CEO (or whatever you are going to be called) have a good break mark -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Sussex Community Internet Project Exploring the ways that local people can use information and communications technology to create better communities -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- SCIP, Community Base 113 - 117 Queens Road Brighton BN1 3XG Tel 01273 234049/0956 627116 (mobile) Fax 01273 234731 http://www.scip.org.uk Supported by BT, Legal and General, Pavilion Internet, UK Communities Online and Brighton & Hove Council ** Partners in Regeneration ** From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 24 13:56:30 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkrIS-0004OD-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:56:28 +0000 Received: from helium.btinternet.com [194.72.6.229] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkrIR-0004O8-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:56:27 +0000 Received: from snow.btinternet.com [194.72.6.226] by helium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xkrK2-0004iD-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:58:06 +0000 Received: from PC_name.company.com [195.99.53.167] by snow.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xkrJl-0002XR-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:57:49 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52ZFKBAwW5m0EwMW@geoffw.demon.co.uk> References: Conversation <52ZFKBAwW5m0EwMW@geoffw.demon.co.uk> with last message <52ZFKBAwW5m0EwMW@geoffw.demon.co.uk> To: conet@ukco.org.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 From: living village trust Subject: Re: [CONet] Living Village Trust Date: Wed, 24 Dec 97 13:58:32 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi Geoff having trouble with btinternet at the moment -- however the e-mail addres= s should work now living.village@btinternet.co.uk cheers - bob From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 24 14:04:15 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkrPv-0004Og-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:04:11 +0000 Received: from helium.btinternet.com [194.72.6.229] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xkrPt-0004Ob-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:04:09 +0000 Received: from snow.btinternet.com [194.72.6.226] by helium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xkrRT-0005X7-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:05:47 +0000 Received: from PC_name.company.com [195.99.53.167] by snow.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xkrJe-0002Uz-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:57:43 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2388959167.71393718@midnet.com> References: Conversation <2388959167.71393718@midnet.com> with last message <2388959167.71393718@midnet.com> To: conet@ukco.org.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 From: living village trust Subject: Re: [CONet] Living Village Trust Date: Wed, 24 Dec 97 13:53:48 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi Seems like some people have a problem getting through to us on e-mail. Could be because we've had some problems with btinternet just recently. Please try again... living.village@btinternet.co.uk should work, we're= getting mail through this at the moment. Any problems our telephone no is 01588 638 958 Fax 01588 630 122 And the address: The GEN Centre Church Street Bishops Castle Shropshire SY9 5AA From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 29 11:46:41 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xmdda-0006aG-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:45:38 +0000 Received: from hil-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.177.132] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xmddX-0006a3-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:45:36 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id GAA22719 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 06:44:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 06:44:35 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: RE: [CONet] Wrong Address To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199712290644_MC2-2D65-EE6C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk John W writes: >some members do not have full internet (such as myself), so we are constantly irritated and excluded if info is only available on the web< Seems to me reasonable in a context to work on the assumption that those who want to be closely involved in developing the communities online concept and acceptance need to have www access, otherwise how on earth can they understand what everyone is talking about= ? Although email is a powerful and useful mechanism and I for one use email much more than www access, I now find that perhaps one in three or four emails I read includes reference to a www url, so without www access you are excluding yourself from a/the central mechanism of the informatio= n society? I write in a sense of puzzlement rather than criticism, but also because = I strongly agree with Trevor's suggestion to place all useful files online = at a website rather than adding them to email messages, specially in lists. The alternative of inviting people to request a copy is fine, but = it does entail the sender in more work, and the extra work is not quantifiable in= advance, so making this a is likely to deter some people from making= useful stuff available to others? Also having the files online makes them= available readily to new list participants . . . = Best wishes to all, Horace Mitchell Programme Director, European Telework Development http://www.eto.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 29 11:50:01 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xmdho-0006ab-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:50:01 +0000 Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com [149.174.217.137] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xmdhn-0006aW-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:49:59 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id GAA14325 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 06:49:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 06:44:45 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: [CONet] COMMUNICATION To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199712290645_MC2-2D65-EE70@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Alan suggests: <> I'd suggest this, if implemented, be as an option not as the main method;= those who want to make progress fast would be frustrated if a message, a reply, a second reply took an elapsed time of three weeks! Suggestions: 1. Provide and options, so that those who wish can have all message collected into a daily or a weekly dump; this should be capable of being done automatically by the server? 2. Be clear about the prime purpose of the list; is it about UK CO, its development and activities, or is it - a world of difference. Maybe there is scope for both . . .and for an list. Best to all, = Horace Mitchell European Telework Development http://www.eto.org.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Dec 29 12:28:52 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xmeJK-0006cP-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:28:46 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xmeJH-0006cK-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:28:43 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.82] (dialup1-18.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.82]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27357 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:29:15 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199712290645_MC2-2D65-EE70@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:29:09 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Thanks to Horace and others for the helpful suggestions on making CONET work well for all concerned. My colleague Peter Mason (offline for Christmas hols) is working on an improved system and will, I'm sure, pull these and other suggestions together. We will be developing a brief for the communications platform in the first week of January. If you would like to join that devlopment please mail me, cc info@communities.org.uk - NOT THE LIST:-)! Regards David -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Dec 31 14:07:18 1997 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xnOmY-0007LK-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:06:02 +0000 Received: from iepala.eurosur.org [194.179.63.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xnOmW-0007LF-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:06:00 +0000 Received: from eurosur.org (ext139.eurosur.org [194.179.63.139]) by iepala.eurosur.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04494; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:06:03 +0100 Message-ID: <34AA50F5.B60778F0@eurosur.org> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:04:37 +0100 From: "Andrés Dochao" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Artur Serra , Bernard Leach , "conet@ukco.org.uk" , Dan Jellinek , Fiorella De Cindio , Graham Bagshaw , Martin Maguire , eacn@ukco.org.uk Subject: [CONet] Happy new year for all and new date for being printed EACN forum in the net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by iepala.eurosur.org id PAA04494 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear EACN members and relates, Firstable, I am sending this message to wish you the best for the next year 1998. I think that it will be the EACN=B4 year, doesn=B4t it?. After a quick meeting in Barcelona yesterday where we (Andr=E9s Dochao an= d Artur Serra, authors of this message and coordinators of the EACN initiative promotion within EPITELIO) have been talking around the better technical solution for the EACN forum creation, we have decided to wait for the January second week for refine the NEWSgroup solution prepared by EPITELIo developers. It will allow us to have a suitable and powerful tool accesible via WWW interface, as well as Newsgroup interface. A system for suscribe to the mailing list (using the current eacn@ukco.org.uk) will be available as well. Best regards for all Andr=E9s Dochao From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Jan 02 15:31:12 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xo937-0000Fk-00; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:30:13 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xo935-0000Ff-00; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:30:11 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23374 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:30:42 GMT Message-Id: <199801021530.PAA23374@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:28:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION In-reply-to: References: <199712290645_MC2-2D65-EE70@compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk David I would like to be involved in the UKCOL Communications Platform. At York I joined the group considering this subject with Simon Berry and Nigel Worthington. We agreed that FIRST CLASS offered a suitable platform with a range of functions, although we did not have alternative products to make a comparison. My concern was cost but Simon though there might be a way of sorting that. I had offered ICQ but first class offers a wider range of facilities. I do think that UKCOL should offer weekly chat facilities as I am a strong supporter of real time conferencing in tandem with asynchronous conferences. Wishing you and Ann a happy new year. Regards Trevor Locke International Digital Conferencing Study Group http://members.aol.com/webwork/digiconf/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Jan 03 09:21:32 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xoPlY-00010g-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:21:12 +0000 Received: from [195.224.17.68] [195.224.17.68] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xoPlU-00010V-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:21:10 +0000 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199712290645_MC2-2D65-EE70@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION Cc: Manar@ivision.co.uk Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:21:10 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Horace wrote: >Suggestions: >1. Provide and options, so that those >who wish can have all message collected into a daily or a weekly dump; >this should be capable of being done automatically by the server? I will put this to our tech support people at Internet Vision to see what is involved in so doing via our current software set up, if this is what David, Peter & the Core tech team would wish. David/Peter: let me know what you would prefer. Happy New year all David Computer Access From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Jan 03 10:07:33 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xoQUN-00011n-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:07:31 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xoQUM-00011i-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:07:30 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.113] (dialup1-49.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.113]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03369; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:08:14 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199712290645_MC2-2D65-EE70@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:08:19 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION Cc: info@communities.org.uk (Peter Mason) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk David - many thanks - we are reviewing the spec next week and that sounds sensible Regards David >I will put this to our tech support people at Internet Vision to see what >is involved in so doing via our current software set up, if this is what >David, Peter & the Core tech team would wish. > >David/Peter: let me know what you would prefer. > >Happy New year all > >David > >Computer Access -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sat Jan 03 16:38:07 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xoWZY-00016v-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:37:16 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.150] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xoWZW-00016q-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:37:15 +0000 Received: from midnet.com (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with UUCP id QAA03622 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:38:00 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION Date: 03 Jan 1998 16:30:13 GMT Message-Id: <3646939069.129456221@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Trevor Locke wrote: > I do think that UKCOL should offer weekly chat facilities as I am a > strong supporter of real time conferencing in tandem with > asynchronous conferences. These are very easily supported within FirstClass, however, I have no real experience of them. In your experience, Trevor, what are the unique features of real time chat versus other forms of online comms (eg asynchronous conferences, ordinary email, telephone conferencing etc)? Is there an optimum size (number of simultaneous participants)? Regards Simon Berry 3/1/98 Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 13:26:24 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpCX8-0001kW-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:25:34 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpCX4-0001kR-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:25:32 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2013094; 5 Jan 98 13:24 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:12:15 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: [CONet] Community Network (CN) Hit Rate MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Is anyone using an application such as Analog 2.0 to analyse hits on their CN? If so, can someone compare these highs and lows to their own figures for me? Monthly Analysis: High - December Low - August Daily Analysis: High - Thursday Low - Saturday Hourly Analysis: High - 1500 Hrs Low - 400 Hrs I have my own *fairly obvious* theories on these fluctuations but would appreciate any comparative data anyone can supply or any other comments for that matter. -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 13:26:24 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpCWs-0001kP-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:25:18 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpCWq-0001kK-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:25:17 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1000079; 5 Jan 98 13:24 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:15:15 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk We are currently exploring the potential for the full-time employment of a worker to develop interactive communication platforms between communities themselves and communities and the Local Authority. Does anyone know of any other Local Authority exploring such an option? -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 13:31:11 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpCcY-0001l0-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:31:10 +0000 Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.177.138] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpCcV-0001kv-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:31:08 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id IAA28281 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:30:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:30:29 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: Re: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801050830_MC2-2E12-B5BA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Simon asks: >what are the unique features of real time chat versus other forms of online comms (eg asynchronous conferences, ordinary email, telephone conferencing etc)? Is there an optimum size (number of simultaneous participants)?< Here's my two pennyworth: online chat can be fun and seductive and provides accelerated learning for new users but has little utility value and can be costly. Some evidence: 1. CompuServe has offered real time chat in all its forums for many years. Its an option available at all times. 2. The forums have been very successful in asynch mode, indeed = have been the most profitable part of CompuServe's service. 3. Only a very small minority of forum users have regularly used the real time facility. 4. Real time use is very profitable to CompuServe (see below) and therefore strongly encouraged. Despite this only a small minority = of the forums make a feature of regular real time conferences, which are supported by only a small proportion of regular forum users. 5. The reason its profitable is that CompuServe charges connect time and real time chat eats up connect time. It also eats up telephone time. This is one reason why its used by only a minority. = 6. In contrast the online gaming in CompuServe (also eating connect time and phone time) has been relatively successful. This suggests that the value of real time is relatively strong while the val= ue is relatively weak. My observation (no firm evidence) is that those who engage in online chat also mainly do it for the element. 7. There are other reasons for low use of real time chat: - most people type slowly and talk much quicker than they type, so that isn't a good term for it! - most people see the added value as slight and not enough to overcome the disadvantages 8. For regular conferencing, my own (and some others') experience has been that voice conferencing is better than keyboard chat; you need someone to moderate the discussion and an agreed start and stop time, but a lot more gets done than in keyboard based chat. My own conclusion is by all means offer a regular online conferencing session for those who want it and find that the added value is worthwhile= (whether the value is fun or utility doesn't matter), but if we want to = make regular conferencing a activity as opposed to an added extra, use voice conferencing for the business aspects. Of course, if access is free and those who are online have lots of time to spare (or are online mainly for fun) then online chat is a great thing= and has real benefits, for example encouraging fluent keyboarding, reducing concerns about gramer and punturation, getting people through the learning curve of netiquette and online techniques etc etc. Happy New Year and best wishes to all, Horace. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 16:17:45 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpFDE-0001ny-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:12 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpFDC-0001nt-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:10 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.170] (dialup2-07.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.135]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02639 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:57 GMT X-Sender: scipmark@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:01:57 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Mark Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear Geoff I have proposed a network amongst SRB funded projects in Brighton and Hove, which may well require dedicated staff time. The SRB link is that a) it's a better bet for funding, b) the council is committed to making it work, c) there are many different sized vol orgs and community groups funded by SRB so it would be a good way to find out more about how it could work and what benefits it brings it's in the 'thinking about it' stage, but well-received in principle cheers mark walker At 1:15 pm +0000 5/1/98, Geoff Walker wrote: >We are currently exploring the potential for the full-time employment of >a worker to develop interactive communication platforms between >communities themselves and communities and the Local Authority. > >Does anyone know of any other Local Authority exploring such an option? >-- >Geoff Walker >Research & Development >Community & Leisure Services >Newcastle City Council >Civic Centre >Newcastle upon Tyne >UK >NE1 8PN > >Tel: +44 191 211 6222 >Fax: +44 191 211 6276 > >Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk >WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Sussex Community Internet Project Exploring the ways that local people can use information and communications technology to create better communities -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- SCIP, Community Base 113 - 117 Queens Road Brighton BN1 3XG Tel 01273 234049 / 0956 627116 (mobile) Fax 01273 234731 http://www.scip.org.uk Supported by BT, Legal and General, Pavilion Internet, UK Communities Online and Brighton & Hove Council ** Partners in Regeneration ** From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 16:40:23 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpFZR-0001os-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:40:09 +0000 Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.150] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpFZP-0001ok-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:40:08 +0000 Received: from midnet.com (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with UUCP id QAA16698 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:40:46 GMT From: s.berry@midnet.com (Simon Berry) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Or Date: 05 Jan 1998 15:43:07 GMT Message-Id: <1678630845.6812900@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Geoff Walker writes: > We are currently exploring the potential for the full-time employment of > a worker to develop interactive communication platforms between > communities themselves and communities and the Local Authority. > > Does anyone know of any other Local Authority exploring such an option? In 1994 the NREC was contracted by North Kesteven District Council (NKDC) to propose a vision for such a network and promote it to key stakeholders. Subsequently, NKDC employed a telematics officer to develop and manage ODEN (Open District Electronic Network). There is many a story to tell but they are currently expnding the system to allow Internet access (the system is based on FirstClass). I have emailed contact details to Geoff (via email). Regards Simon Berry 5/1/98 National Rural Enterprise Centre Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire CV8 2RR, UK Tel: +44 1203 690691 Fax: +44 1203 696770 Web: http://www.nrec.org.uk/ Sent via WRENConnect Online services of WREN Telecottage Visit InfoRurale - The Internet Gateway for Rural Development - http://www.nrec.org.uk/inforurale/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 17:12:02 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpG4G-0001pv-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:12:00 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpG4A-0001pp-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:11:54 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1005491; 5 Jan 98 17:09 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:08:14 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION In-Reply-To: <199801050830_MC2-2E12-B5BA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <199801050830_MC2-2E12-B5BA@compuserve.com>, Horace Mitchell writes >Here's my two pennyworth: online chat can be fun and seductive >and provides accelerated learning for new users >but has little utility value and can be costly. Yes, but you will notice in chat rooms with a mixture of oldies and newbies a spirit of co-operation is nurtured very quickly which leads to an informal exchange of expertise which often *cannot* be found elsewhere. >My own conclusion is by all means offer a regular online conferencing >session for those who want it and find that the added value is worthwhile >(whether the value is fun or utility doesn't matter), but if we want to >make regular conferencing a activity as opposed >to an added extra, use voice conferencing for the business aspects. Our experience with the NewNet pilot in Newcastle demostrted to me that most people had difficulty downloading the appropriate software *such as IRC and/or PowWow* and using it! You find this is the case online worldwide...As newbies arrive in chat rooms often their first comment is...Wow! I have been trying for weeks to get this working...Not so much *plug and play* and *plug and pray*! -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 17:13:07 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpG5K-0001q9-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:13:06 +0000 Received: from [195.224.17.68] [195.224.17.68] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpG5I-0001q4-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:13:05 +0000 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:13:05 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Geoff's request: >We are currently exploring the potential for the full-time employment of >a worker to develop interactive communication platforms between >communities themselves and communities and the Local Authority. > >Does anyone know of any other Local Authority exploring such an option? Well, in my experience this depends on the funding that is available. Some local authorities have "gone it alone" like, say, Hertford, Berkshire and Hampshire, but most rely on other funding, like EU structural funds. When these apply, then significant activity takes place. In this context, one thinks of Manchester and its Objective Two funding and indeed our own within East London & the Lee Valley. In these cases though, it tends not to be that a local authority will appoint a full time worker independently, but will do so in partnership with other organisations. Manchester, however, as lead authority within its own Obj 2 area, has undertaken some appointments like this. Please mail me privately if you would like a local authority contact there with whom you can chat. Cheers David From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 20:53:48 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpJWb-0001t7-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:53:29 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpJWY-0001t2-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:53:27 +0000 Received: from default (dialup1-57.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.121]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA22667; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:54:15 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980105204802.007bba90@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: communities@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:48:02 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: "UKCO: Peter Mason" Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION Cc: Manar@ivision.co.uk In-Reply-To: References: <199712290645_MC2-2D65-EE70@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk wrt list digests, I have already taken this up with Manar. He writes: "Majordomo has it's own digesting feature...Hopefully should appear over the course of January." Thanks David and Manar! We'll be discussing details over the next couple of weeks - at current rates a weekly digest would seem most appropriate. Peter At 09:21 03/01/98 +0000, David Fitzpatrick wrote: >I will put this to our tech support people at Internet Vision to see what >is involved in so doing via our current software set up, if this is what >David, Peter & the Core tech team would wish. >David/Peter: let me know what you would prefer. >Horace wrote: >>Suggestions: >>1. Provide and options, so that those >>who wish can have all message collected into a daily or a weekly dump; >>this should be capable of being done automatically by the server? -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ UK Communities Online mailto:info@communities.org.uk http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list: mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Mon Jan 05 21:40:29 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpKFt-0001u1-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:40:17 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpKFr-0001tw-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:40:15 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA21561 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:40:58 GMT Message-Id: <199801052140.VAA21561@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:41:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION In-reply-to: <3646939069.129456221@midnet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Trevor Locke wrote: > > I do think that UKCOL should offer weekly chat facilities as I am a > > strong supporter of real time conferencing in tandem with > > asynchronous conferences. and Simon Berry replied: > These are very easily supported within FirstClass, however, I have no real > experience of them. In your experience, Trevor, what are the unique features > of real time chat versus other forms of online comms (eg asynchronous > conferences, ordinary email, telephone conferencing etc)? Is there an > optimum size (number of simultaneous participants)? I however have a lot of experience of Internet chat, primarily because I am UK Host for Teleworking at AOL and run a regular chat room there for teleworkers. I also chat to colleagues around the world on a regular basis via IRC and ICQ and sometimes the browser based chat rooms such as ichat. Real time chat allows people to emulate real life group discussions and telephone calls - its principle disadvantage is that it requires a certain speed in typing ability - otherwise fluency is greatly reduced. Chat revolves around exchange of mainly short sentences - it tends to involved quick fire responses. Discussion requiring longer and more considered passages of text is best conducted via other forms of email-based communications. We have at our disposal and wide and increasing body of communications platforms. As far as digital conferencing is concerned (that mediated by computers) the standard is text based discussion, although the drift into multimedia is allowing video and audio conferencing but this is as yet not common. Chat has the advantage of being immediate, lively, allowing a more spontaneous engagement of participants than list discussions like this one. However, I see chat as allowing a group of people who have other platforms at their disposal to have a real time discussion without having to travel to a venue to do it. There is no absolute standard on numbers; nor any optimum - since this depends on the nature of the chat room. 1-1 chat can be very helpful over a longer period of email exchange - since it allows for interrogation of issues - interviewing - which draws out ideas and enables negotiation. Chat rooms in AOL work effectively with 2 to 43 people. AOL's auditorium allows simultaneous attendance of up to 500 people. If too many post in a group the scrolling rate can be difficult to keep up with. In practice, discussion tends to involve about half a dozen key players with the rest lurking (observing the discussion) but that is similar to real life group workshops. Hosted chats can work better than free for alls, provided the host is either skilled in group mediation or trained for this kind of work. I was trained by AOL. Chats can also involve guest speakers being interviewed by a host or answering questions from room participants. Nearly all chat clients enable a session to be recorded so that participants can read the whole session afterwards when off line. Copies of the session can also be emailed to those unable to attend. Further information on digital conferencing is available from http://members.aol.com/webwork/digiconf/ Trevor Locke Project Leader, Blaby on the Net Blaby Internet Services http://www.blaby.co.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 11:09:00 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpWsG-00027R-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:08:44 +0000 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.133] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpWsE-00027M-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:08:42 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id GAA24230 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:08:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:07:23 -0500 From: Alan Denbigh Subject: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801060608_MC2-2E36-1DCD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk There have been a number of projects of this nature with some degree of community linking based around a core facility... Two that come to mind b= ut which didn't get funding are : = Technopolis project (put in for Millennium funding, unsuccessfully) bas= ed in Norwich - contact City Council Humberlinks project ( ditto =2E....................................................................) -contact Community Council of Humberside = Another one is the GENESIS project at Cumbria County Council though this = is more education based. Others that might be of interest are projects using videotelephones to encourage communication to council offices piloted in Newham, Stroud, Cheshire and Kirkby Stephen The ACRE Millennium Village Halls (successful bid !) might be of interest= - which helps village halls renovate and install IT equipment for community= use....(ACRE at Cirencester) . Trimdon Digital Village installation of Internet access and community building of web pages (CRE unit at University of Teeside) Manchester Electronic Village Halls etc (Dave Carter) = We have covered all the above (and many more !) in Teleworker magazine i= n the past couple of years.....and also on TCA Online... Regards Alan Denbigh -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------------------------------- TCA - The Telework, Telecottage and Telecentre Association Membership Enquiries 0800 616008 (Outside UK + 44 1203 696986) Executive Director on tel 01453 834874 fax 01453 836174 Email 100272.3137@compuserve.com Web : http://www.tca.org.uk The TCA is a member of the European Telework Development Project (ETD) The TCA is an Information Society Initiative (ISI) partner -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------------------------------ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 11:23:15 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpX6I-00027s-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:23:14 +0000 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpX6G-00027n-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:23:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 19423 invoked from network); 6 Jan 1998 11:24:06 -0000 Received: from aj153.du.pipex.com (HELO davids) (193.130.249.153) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 1998 11:24:06 -0000 From: "David Squire" To: Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:02:35 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk No - but would be very interested to see if anyone is David Squire (you know, that guy that you keep meeting at events!!) ---------- > From: Geoff Walker > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Subject: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations > Date: 05 January 1998 13:15 > > We are currently exploring the potential for the full-time employment of > a worker to develop interactive communication platforms between > communities themselves and communities and the Local Authority. > > Does anyone know of any other Local Authority exploring such an option? > -- > Geoff Walker > Research & Development > Community & Leisure Services > Newcastle City Council > Civic Centre > Newcastle upon Tyne > UK > NE1 8PN > > Tel: +44 191 211 6222 > Fax: +44 191 211 6276 > > Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk > WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 11:23:17 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpX6L-000286-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:23:17 +0000 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpX6I-00027t-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:23:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 19427 invoked from network); 6 Jan 1998 11:24:08 -0000 Received: from aj153.du.pipex.com (HELO davids) (193.130.249.153) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 1998 11:24:08 -0000 From: "David Squire" To: Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:09:02 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Would love to see how this works out if it goes ahead - very similar situation in Rotherham, though I dont work for the council! I think this could link in with community IT projects (mostly funded by SRB) and form a (cliched phrase coming!) web. David Squire Community Education resource 28 Percy Street Rotherham S65 1ED tel 01709 516030 fax: 01709 516040 ---------- > From: Mark Walker > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations > Date: 05 January 1998 15:01 > > Dear Geoff > > I have proposed a network amongst SRB funded projects in Brighton and Hove, > which may well require dedicated staff time. The SRB link is that a) it's a > better bet for funding, b) the council is committed to making it work, c) > there are many different sized vol orgs and community groups funded by SRB > so it would be a good way to find out more about how it could work and what > benefits it brings > > it's in the 'thinking about it' stage, but well-received in principle > > cheers > > mark walker > > At 1:15 pm +0000 5/1/98, Geoff Walker wrote: > >We are currently exploring the potential for the full-time employment of > >a worker to develop interactive communication platforms between > >communities themselves and communities and the Local Authority. > > > >Does anyone know of any other Local Authority exploring such an option? > >-- > >Geoff Walker > >Research & Development > >Community & Leisure Services > >Newcastle City Council > >Civic Centre > >Newcastle upon Tyne > >UK > >NE1 8PN > > > >Tel: +44 191 211 6222 > >Fax: +44 191 211 6276 > > > >Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk > >WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ---------- > Sussex Community Internet Project > Exploring the ways that local people can use information and > communications technology to create better communities > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ---------- > SCIP, Community Base > 113 - 117 Queens Road > Brighton BN1 3XG > Tel 01273 234049 / 0956 627116 (mobile) > Fax 01273 234731 > http://www.scip.org.uk > > Supported by BT, Legal and General, Pavilion Internet, > UK Communities Online and Brighton & Hove Council > ** Partners in Regeneration ** > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 11:47:12 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpXTR-00028r-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:47:09 +0000 Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.217.139] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpXTP-00028l-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:47:07 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id GAA24719 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:46:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:46:14 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801060646_MC2-2E34-2B5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi Geoff: >Yes, but you will notice in chat rooms with a mixture of oldies and newbies a spirit of co-operation is nurtured very quickly which leads to an informal exchange of expertise which often *cannot* be found elsewhere.< I'm sure this isn't the place for an extended discussion of the pros and cons, but in my experience any online forum has much the same effect, whether the interaction is synchronous or asynchronous: - a well orchestrated forum occupied by good natured people welcomes newbies and engenders cooperation and helpfulness - any forum that tolerates vituperation is unhelpful to both newbies and good-natures oldies :-) A key problem in the online world (especially some newsgroups) is = that a high proportion of the forums are either unmanaged or managed by people = with inadequate experience and skills, so that the vituperatives can too easily take = over and squeeze out the nice guys and gals? I do so agree that another real problem is the high proportion of = Internet users who are struggling with the technology unaided - the techi= es _know_ the technology is simplicity itself, the untutored, unsupported users _know_ it aint so; the two communities often can't understand each others' questions and answers. Rapid access to relevant technical knowhow= in a tolerant and helpful environment remains a strength of services like= = AOL/CompuServe. Best to all, Horace. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 11:47:29 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpXTl-000294-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:47:29 +0000 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.133] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpXTi-00028m-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:47:26 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id GAA00233 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:47:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:45:53 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: [CONet] Australia Conference To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801060647_MC2-2E34-2AB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In case its not already known about, sorry if this is a duplicate posting= Best wishes to all, = Horace Mitchell European Telework Development -------------Forwarded Message----------------- Dear Collegue, I am emailing to let you know about the Third Community Networking / Networking Communities Conference to be held Friday 27 and Saturday 28 February 1998. At the Victoria University of Technology St. Albans Campu= s Melbourne Australia. Could you forward to the most appropriate people within ISPO.. The conference is a must for anyone interested in in enriching communitie= s through accessible electronic networking. The conference aims to bring together a diverse range of people involved = in electronic networking to learn about practical and theoretical issues in electronic networking; to establish an on-going coordinating structure within Australia for community electronic networking. A preliminary program for the conference is now available and promises to= be a challenging program with well known speakers such as Dale Spender, Julia Scholfield and Randy Stoecker. Plus many opportunities for people from grass roots organisations to share their experiences. To find out more and register your interest please follow this link: http://www.vicnet.net.au/~vacab/comunet3.htm We look forward to having you join us for this conference. If you could also forward this message to appropriate collegues or mailing lists I wou= ld appreciate your assistance. = Yours sincerely Ken Young VACIC From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 14:34:52 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpa5H-0002Bg-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:34:23 +0000 Received: from arthur.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.4] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpa5E-0002Bb-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:34:21 +0000 Received: from rambo.futures.bt.co.uk by arthur.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:32:40 +0000 Received: from mussel.futures.bt.co.uk by rambo with SMTP (PP); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:32:55 +0000 Received: by mussel.futures.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BD1AAF.B9909060@mussel.futures.bt.co.uk>; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: From: Doug Williams To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Subject: [CONet] Wild quotes Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:30:47 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Dear All, I am trying to write a paper, and as is customary, I am trying to litter it with learned and pithy quotes from diverse sources to convince some editor that I am clever and that my thoughts are worthy of publication - which of course they are. I like to attribute quotes to citable sources, can anyone help me with these... "80% of household expenditure is within 20 miles of home" (I've heard this from Colin Millar, Dave Wilcox, Michael Mulquin (I think) and most recently from Clare Shearman, now which of you knows where it comes from?) "more than 50% of information is conversation" - this is definitely from Kevin Harris most recently, Kevin did anyone say it before you? Any other offers? Thanks for your consideration. Doug From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 21:06:01 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpgBq-0002HL-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:05:34 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpgBo-0002HG-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:05:33 +0000 Received: from gbits.demon.co.uk ([158.152.50.125]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2028672; 6 Jan 98 20:59 GMT From: Graham Bagshaw Organization: GB IT Services To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:00:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <884120357.2028672.0@gbits.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Hi Doug, On 6 Jan 98 at 14:30, Doug Williams wrote re. "[CONet] Wild quotes": > I am trying to write a paper, and as is customary, I am trying to litter > it with learned and pithy quotes from diverse sources to convince some > editor that I am clever and that my thoughts are worthy of publication - > which of course they are. > > I like to attribute quotes to citable sources, can anyone help me with > these... Here's another one about fractions for you - probably totally irrelevant to your paper, but I like it Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:56:43 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes In-Reply-To: <884120357.2028672.0@gbits.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <884120357.2028672.0@gbits.demon.co.uk>, Graham Bagshaw writes >Here's another one about fractions for you - probably totally >irrelevant to your paper, but I like it >"Marshall's Generalised Iceberg Theorem: eight ninths of everything >can't be seen" - source unknown (could it be General Marshall?), but >I saw it quoted in an Americana section in Time magazine some years ago. Doh! To be contributed to me rather than Bart Simpson! -- Geoff Walker, Secretary, Newcastle Newnet Telephone: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Telephone/Fax: +44 191 584 9416 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 22:28:15 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xphTp-0002Iq-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:28:13 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xphTo-0002Il-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:28:12 +0000 Received: from [194.207.106.50] (pool-050.fastnet.co.uk [194.207.106.50]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA24665 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:28:57 GMT X-Sender: scipmark@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:31:03 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Mark Walker Subject: [CONet] wild quotes Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk when questioned, 63.6% of people admitted that they lie when answering surveys when drunk, 74.2% of researchers admitted that they massage the figures to reflect what they think they should be source: common sense -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Sussex Community Internet Project Exploring the ways that local people can use information and communications technology to create better communities -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- SCIP, Community Base 113 - 117 Queens Road Brighton BN1 3XG Tel 01273 234049/0956 627116 (mobile) Fax 01273 234731 http://www.scip.org.uk Supported by BT, Legal and General, Pavilion Internet, UK Communities Online and Brighton & Hove Council ** Partners in Regeneration ** From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 06 22:30:00 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xphVY-0002J7-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:30:00 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xphVW-0002Iz-00; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:29:59 +0000 Received: from [194.207.106.50] (pool-050.fastnet.co.uk [194.207.106.50]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA24805 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:30:47 GMT X-Sender: scipmark@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:32:53 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Mark Walker Subject: [CONet] wild quotes Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk 87% of UK Co-netters spend too many late nights sending inane and irrelevent emails -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Sussex Community Internet Project Exploring the ways that local people can use information and communications technology to create better communities -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- SCIP, Community Base 113 - 117 Queens Road Brighton BN1 3XG Tel 01273 234049/0956 627116 (mobile) Fax 01273 234731 http://www.scip.org.uk Supported by BT, Legal and General, Pavilion Internet, UK Communities Online and Brighton & Hove Council ** Partners in Regeneration ** From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 08:34:23 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpqvu-0002Sw-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:33:50 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpqvs-0002Sr-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:33:48 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1025995; 7 Jan 98 8:29 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:27:38 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] wild quotes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message , Mark Walker writes >when questioned, 63.6% of people admitted that they lie when answering surveys > >when drunk, 74.2% of researchers admitted that they massage the figures to >reflect what they think they should be > >source: common sense A high proportion of conet sunscribers waste the list's time ;)...Nothing personal Mark! -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 09:13:30 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xprYE-0002Tl-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:13:26 +0000 Received: from dent.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.16.161] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xprYC-0002Tg-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:13:24 +0000 Received: from rambo.futures.bt.co.uk by dent.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:13:13 +0000 Received: from mussel.futures.bt.co.uk by rambo with SMTP (PP); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:13:43 +0000 Received: by mussel.futures.bt.co.uk with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BD1B4C.4D32EF10@mussel.futures.bt.co.uk>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:11:56 -0000 Message-ID: From: Doug Williams To: "'conet@ukco.org.uk'" Subject: RE: [CONet] wild quotes Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:11:44 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk only 87%? ;-) >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Walker [SMTP:mark@scip.org.uk] >Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 10:33 PM >To: conet@ukco.org.uk >Subject: [CONet] wild quotes > >87% of UK Co-netters spend too many late nights sending inane and >irrelevent emails > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-------- >---------- >Sussex Community Internet Project >Exploring the ways that local people can use information and >communications technology to create better communities >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-------- >---------- >SCIP, Community Base >113 - 117 Queens Road >Brighton BN1 3XG >Tel 01273 234049/0956 627116 (mobile) >Fax 01273 234731 >http://www.scip.org.uk > >Supported by BT, Legal and General, Pavilion Internet, >UK Communities Online and Brighton & Hove Council > >** Partners in Regeneration ** > > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 09:37:18 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xprv7-0002UF-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:37:05 +0000 Received: from arl-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.217.140] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xprv5-0002UA-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:37:04 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id EAA02364 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:37:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:36:21 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: [CONet] quotables - household expenditure To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801070437_MC2-2E5C-447E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Doug asked about sources, I deleted the message then I thought of a source, so I hope I'm now reply in the right place: On household expenditure this is published by Eurostat, here (most readily to hand, I'm afraid) is the breakdown of consumer expenditure for France 1995 (percentages): Food 15.0 Drink and tobacco 3.1 Clothing and footwear 6.1 Gross rent, fuel and power 20.0 Furniture and household equipment 7.7 Medical care 9.8 Transport and communication 16.1 Education, books, newspapers 2.1 Entertainment, recreational-cultural = services (excluding hotels, rest., cafes) 2.1 Other 18 (UK numbers 11.3 9.0 5.7 19.4 6.5 1.6 16.8 2.7 3.2 23.8 in same sequence. Note that for developed countries like the UK = is always the biggest element. Note the effect of cheap drink in France . . . not so much time available for the other :-) By inspection almost all of this is spent in or close to home since few people travel more than 20 miles to buy a suit, visit the doctor, etc. Even when we travel a lot of the spend is with a local travel agent today. However be careful in using this data, it can be misleading and the relationships are changing. For example we may buy a TV licence at the village stores but the bulk of the revenue goes to the BBC. We may buy a TV set at Comet, but perhaps two thirds of the revenue goes back to the manufacturer. And if Comet makes a profit, the profit is made by Comet centrally and its shareholders not in the local community. The value retained in the local High Street comprises the wages of local staff, and the local spend on services and facilities, plus the profits made by local entrepreneurs and local taxes. In other words, lies, damned lies, and statistics - again! Hope this is helpful. Best wishes, Horace. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 09:49:26 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xps71-0002Uf-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:49:23 +0000 Received: from [195.224.17.68] [195.224.17.68] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xps6z-0002UX-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:49:22 +0000 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: [CONet] wild quotes Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:49:22 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk >87% of UK Co-netters spend too many late nights sending inane and >irrelevent emails Why should life (or dare I say a list..) always be "nane" and relevent? The odd daft comment helps me work thru the rather turgid 70% of all e-mails I get each day... David From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 10:23:31 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpse1-0002VP-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:23:29 +0000 Received: from Nzambi.qub.ac.uk [143.117.14.23] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpsdw-0002VK-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:23:27 +0000 Received: from fujin.qub.ac.uk by Nzambi.qub.ac.uk with SMTP-QUB (PP); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:26:20 +0000 Received: from fujin.qub.ac.uk by fujin.qub.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA19770; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:42 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeremy Knox Spence Subject: RE: [CONet] wild quotes To: conet@ukco.org.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Actually it must be 87.5 because I only keep half an eye on these things... Jeremy. J.Spence Queens University Belfast On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Doug Williams wrote: > only 87%? ;-) > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark Walker [SMTP:mark@scip.org.uk] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 10:33 PM > >To: conet@ukco.org.uk > >Subject: [CONet] wild quotes > > > >87% of UK Co-netters spend too many late nights sending inane and > >irrelevent emails > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-------- > >---------- > >Sussex Community Internet Project > >Exploring the ways that local people can use information and > >communications technology to create better communities > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-------- > >---------- > >SCIP, Community Base > >113 - 117 Queens Road > >Brighton BN1 3XG > >Tel 01273 234049/0956 627116 (mobile) > >Fax 01273 234731 > >http://www.scip.org.uk > > > >Supported by BT, Legal and General, Pavilion Internet, > >UK Communities Online and Brighton & Hove Council > > > >** Partners in Regeneration ** > > > > > > > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 10:29:10 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpsjV-0002Vj-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:09 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpsjT-0002Ve-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:07 +0000 Received: from default (dialup1-18.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.82]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA24899 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:30:00 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107103338.006bd204@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: cdf@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:33:38 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Kevin Harris Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk At 14:30 06/01/98 -0000, Doug wrote > >"more than 50% of information is conversation" >- this is definitely from Kevin Harris most recently, Kevin did anyone >say it before you? Any other offers? > and to correct impression I thought I'd reply to the list on this occasion. If I ever said this I must have been quite sober at the time, it's not the sort of remark I usually make. By what measurement, one would have to ask? And to be honest Doug, if looking smart is one of the objectives of using quotes in your paper - don't use this one! However, you might check out The Net Result page30, margin quote from Peter Davis - 'as a rule of thumb, 50% of community information conetnt, at least, is dialogue.' I think this is what you may be thinking of best k From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 10:44:06 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpsxo-0002W8-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:56 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpsxl-0002W2-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:54 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15290 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:43 GMT Message-Id: <199801071044.KAA15290@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:44:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk With regard to the previous posting > >We are currently exploring the potential for the full-time employment of > >a worker to develop interactive communication platforms between > >communities themselves and communities and the Local Authority. > > > >Does anyone know of any other Local Authority exploring such an option? In my opinion it would be wider for local authority to contract one of the [increasing number of ] experts on interactivity on the 'Net rather than recruiting someone to work in yet another job. This is an eminently teleworkable function. The techniques and technologies of Interactivity and conferencing using computers are becoming an ever increasing domain of expertise. Besides the purely computing/software and programming aspects there are social and political perspectives that are inherent in the whole business of enabling people to use the medium effectively. Apart from what appears to be public on the screen there is also a large body of considerations to do with the people at the other end. If its interaction with Council staff or members then there are management, training and organisational parameters to get right. Its no use having the technology is the people on the receiving end don't know how to use it. But then I would say that wouldn't I ........ Trevor Locke Project Manager (freelance) International Digital Conferencing Study Group http://members.aol.com/webwork/digiconf/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 10:44:06 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpsxr-0002WE-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:59 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpsxp-0002W3-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:57 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15295 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:45 GMT Message-Id: <199801071044.KAA15295@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:44:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION In-reply-to: References: <199801050830_MC2-2E12-B5BA@compuserve.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Geoff Walker wrote > Our experience with the NewNet pilot in Newcastle demostrted to me that > most people had difficulty downloading the appropriate software *such as > IRC and/or PowWow* and using it! You find this is the case online > worldwide...As newbies arrive in chat rooms often their first comment > is...Wow! I have been trying for weeks to get this working...Not so much > *plug and play* and *plug and pray*! Nice one Geoff. This is so very true. My first experience :::: does a wry smirk ::::: of on -line chat was in AOL. It was so simple - there was no software to download, no set up, no configuration - it was just go there are do it. It was fun - first the first time ever the computer talked back to me. Wonderful, after ten years of static word processing. Now I conference regularly with people all over the world. To me that is amazing and makes the Internet a value to be added to my life and work. Conferencing must be about using all the devices available to us for discussion and communications - from simply exchange of emails - through to computer video conferencing. Live Chat is not everyone's idea of a party. But that is no excuse for not trying. For those who can cope with it, it is very useful and a valuable alternative to static text. Trevor International Digital Conferencing Study Group http://members.aol.com/webwork/digiconf/ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 11:07:49 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xptKr-0002Ww-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:07:45 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xptKp-0002Wr-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:07:44 +0000 Received: from gbits.demon.co.uk ([158.152.50.125]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2003245; 7 Jan 98 10:58 GMT From: Graham Bagshaw Organization: GB IT Services To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:11:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [CONet] wild quotes In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <884170719.203245.0@gbits.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk On 7 Jan 98 at 9:49, David Fitzpatrick wrote re. "Re: [CONet] wild quotes": > Why should life (or dare I say a list..) always be "nane" and relevant? > The odd daft comment helps me work thru the rather turgid 70% of all > e-mails I get each day... Here, here! Graham. -- Graham Bagshaw, GB IT Services (Gbits) Consultancy Services in Information Technology Phone/fax: +44 (0)114 269 4333 For other details, please see: http://www.gbits.com From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 11:12:20 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xptPH-0002XG-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:19 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xptPE-0002XB-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:17 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.116] (dialup1-36.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.100]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28255; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:13:10 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:13:18 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk, iacn@sheffield.ac.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: [CONet] Community networking grants programme Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk .... unfortunately only available in the US ....see below. TIIAP is the programme which has helped many US networks develop in recent years. Time to start preparing the case for a similar progamme in the UK? Regards David Title: Telecommunications and Information Infrastructure Assistance Program Source: NTIA Issue: TIIAP/Funding Description: NTIA has announced the 1998 round of the Telecommunications and Information Infrastructure Assistance Program (TIIAP). For fiscal year 1998, approximately $17 million in grant funds will be awarded. The deadline for submitting applications is March 12, 1998. On January 15, NTIA will hold a short public briefing to introduce the 1998 TIIAP competition. NTIA will also hold a series of regional "Outreach Workshops and Partnering Events." Title: Public Telecommunications Facilities Program Source: NTIA Issue: Public Broadcasting Description: The Public Telecommunications Facilities Program (PTFP) announced that FY98 grant applications are available as of January 5. 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While the summaries are factually accurate, their often informal tone does not represent the tone of the original articles. ------------------------------ To join the Benton Communications Policy Mailing List, email the following command in the body of a message to listserv@cdinet.com: subscribe benton-compolicy YourFirstName YourLastName If at any time you would like to unsubscribe from the Benton Communications Policy Mailing List, email the following command in the body of a message to listserv@cdinet.com: signoff benton-compolicy If you have any problems with the listserv or any questions about the postings, please direct them to benton@benton.org. -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 12:10:32 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpuJP-0002YH-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:10:19 +0000 Received: from Nzambi.qub.ac.uk [143.117.14.23] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpuJL-0002YC-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:10:17 +0000 Received: from fujin.qub.ac.uk by Nzambi.qub.ac.uk with SMTP-QUB (PP); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:12:32 +0000 Received: from fujin.qub.ac.uk by fujin.qub.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA25300; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:15:51 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:15:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeremy Knox Spence Subject: Re: [CONet] COMMUNICATION To: conet@ukco.org.uk In-Reply-To: <199801071044.KAA15295@quark.foobar.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I've been using chat programs and sites on and off for years now... beginning with irc in the dime past. Recently I've become very fond of ICQ which has a really strong value addit, in that it supports other chat clients, and its net detect agent is memory light, and with a click of a switch you can jump into your video conferencing package, or a direct-machine to machine hook up. All painless organised. Most of the Java chat and Cgi chat sites (epitomised by www.chathouse.com) are good introductions. The danger of live time chat is that there is (anecdotally) evidence of language becoming clipped, and the continuous flow of information is difficult to sustain. However the ease of fast ftp, and genuine whiteboarding, is compelling, particularly when sharing system design. Mister Spence Opined from the peanut gallery. Jeremy J.Spence Queens University of Belfast On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Trevor Locke wrote: > Geoff Walker wrote > > > Our experience with the NewNet pilot in Newcastle demostrted to me that > > most people had difficulty downloading the appropriate software *such as > > IRC and/or PowWow* and using it! You find this is the case online > > worldwide...As newbies arrive in chat rooms often their first comment > > is...Wow! I have been trying for weeks to get this working...Not so much > > *plug and play* and *plug and pray*! > > > Nice one Geoff. This is so very true. My first experience :::: > does a wry smirk ::::: of on -line chat was in AOL. It was so > simple - there was no software to download, no set up, no > configuration - it was just go there are do it. It was fun - first > the first time ever the computer talked back to me. Wonderful, after > ten years of static word processing. > > Now I conference regularly with people all over the world. To me that > is amazing and makes the Internet a value to be added to my life and > work. > > Conferencing must be about using all the devices available to us for > discussion and communications - from simply exchange of emails - > through to computer video conferencing. > > Live Chat is not everyone's idea of a party. But that is no excuse > for not trying. For those who can cope with it, it is very useful > and a valuable alternative to static text. > > > Trevor > > > International Digital Conferencing Study Group > http://members.aol.com/webwork/digiconf/ > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 12:40:15 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpumL-0002Z8-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:40:13 +0000 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpumJ-0002Z3-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:40:12 +0000 Received: from first-class (actually host ck344441u2l.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:37:53 +0000 From: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk (Peter Davis) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:35:52 -0000 Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes Message-ID: References: Organization: The Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk On Milton Keynes Community Network 'More than 50% of information is conversation' has been a slogan of ours for some years. We came up with it ourselves. That isn't to say others didn't do the same. On MKCN about 99% of communication is mailbox to mailbox...the quest for visbility is a long one so far. Peter Peter Davis EMERG Open University Milton Keynes MK7 6AA MKCN found under 'sample conferences' Http/phoenix.www.open.ac.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 14:12:00 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpwCd-0002aa-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:11:27 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpwCa-0002aV-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:11:25 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26825 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:12:13 GMT Message-Id: <199801071412.OAA26825@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:10:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk David Squire wrote > Would love to see how this works out if it goes ahead - very similar > situation in Rotherham, though I don't work for the council! I think this > could link in with community IT projects (mostly funded by SRB) and form a > (cliched phrase coming!) web. which tempts me to muse that it would be nice if there was within UKCOL a forum for project leaders of community internet projects and web developers - a network that wold allow discussion of some of the demanding technical issues we all have to struggle with. David, Michael and others might advise us if the general CONET list is the right place to talk shop about the more erudite aspects of community sites -but I wondered if we might benefit from having a chat room where we could bounce ideas off each other, etc. If we do go for First Class then that would serve this purpose. In the meantime if any one wants to try out the more limited capabilities of ICQ, let me know and I will send the starter pack or you can get it directly from http://www.mirabilis.com/ It should be easy to start a community online chat zone there. Trevor Blaby on the Net Blaby Internet Services http://www.blaby.co.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 15:15:35 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpxAz-0002bx-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:13:49 +0000 Received: from [195.224.17.68] [195.224.17.68] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpxAw-0002bp-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:13:47 +0000 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: [CONet] Community networking grants programme Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:13:47 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Re David's mail on US Grants programme: >.... unfortunately only available in the US ....see below. > >TIIAP is the programme which has helped many US networks develop in recent >years. Time to start preparing the case for a similar progamme in the UK? >Title: Telecommunications and Information Infrastructure Assistance Program >Source: NTIA > >Issue: TIIAP/Funding In fact the EU seems to be the vehicle for this sort of thing here. Obj's 1,2 &5 seem to be the best options since the trans national elements of the Framework Four stuff are a pain (and there ain't half so much money either). The current UK government seems to rely on the private sector - or the Lottery - to trigger this type of activity here (a la "going to bed with BT"). Demos, working straight to the PM's office, seem still to be a little wayward with regard to funding... Since this sort of initiative does demand long terms intensive funding, I would be pleased to help form a case to make to the UK government. A sub-set of the list would be arranged so as not to bore some of our other colleagues, David? Cheers David F From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 15:53:36 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpxnJ-0002dI-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:53:25 +0000 Received: from gn3.gn.apc.org [194.202.158.47] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpxnE-0002dD-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:53:21 +0000 Received: from gn.apc.org [193.130.252.241](am241.du.pipex.com [193.130.252.241]) by gn3.gn.apc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/GN-1.0) with SMTP id QAA29310 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:03:09 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:03:09 GMT Message-Id: <199801071603.QAA29310@gn3.gn.apc.org> X-Sender: cra@pop.gn.apc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: cra@gn.apc.org (Community Media Association) Subject: [CONet] Chat spaces etc Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk The Community Media Association has recently set up a trial chat space on our WWW site. For the time being at least, this space is open and unmoderated. You don't need any special software. You just need to agree a time with the people you want to chat to and off you go. You will find it at http://www.pobox.com/~cra Anyone on CONET is very welcome to use this for trial or other purposes. For technical information on this and also our newly set up discussion space contact our web master Steve Buckley ----------------------------------------- Community Media Association 15 Paternoster Row, Sheffield S1 2BX Tel: +44 114 279 5219 Fax: +44 114 279 8976 E-mail: cra@gn.apc.org Check out our on-line discussion forum at: WWW: http://www.pobox.com/~cra ----------------------------------------- From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 17:20:38 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpz8q-0002f7-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:19:44 +0000 Received: from dub-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.206.139] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpz8n-0002f0-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:19:41 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id MAA29164 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:19:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:19:34 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: [CONet] Re: HE and the University for Industry To: CO UK open list Message-ID: <199801071219_MC2-2E60-9338@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I forward this as it includes a <> and seems to have been copied to persons rather than a list? Apologies for any duplication. Horace Mitchell Programme Director, European Telework Development http://www.eto.org.uk -------------Forwarded Message----------------- Date: 06/01/98 17:53 = RE: Re: HE and the University for Industry Sender: d.mcconnell@sheffield.ac.uk CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON NETWORKED LIFELONG LEARNING APRIL 20th - 22nd 1998 UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD, ENGLAND CENTRE FOR THE STUDY OF NETWORKED LEARNING CONFERENCE INFORMATION AND CALL FOR PAPERS =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D The University of Sheffield Centre for the Study of Networked Learning Networked Lifelong Learning Innovative approaches to education & training through the Internet 1998 CONFERENCE INFORMATION AND CALL FOR PAPERS Monday 20 April - Wednesday 22 April 1998 at the University of Sheffield Stephenson Hall Conference Centre & Accommodation * Additional conference information will be posted on our web-site as it becomes available. The web address is: http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/csnl/nll.html. ends= From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 17:20:42 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpz9K-0002fG-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:20:14 +0000 Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.206.136] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpz9H-0002f1-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:20:12 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id MAA17418 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:19:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:19:25 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801071219_MC2-2E60-9331@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk As a telework advocate I should agree with Trevor: >it would be wider for local authority to contract one = of the [increasing number of ] experts on interactivity on the 'Net = rather than recruiting someone to work in yet another job. This is = an eminently teleworkable function< but against this, one important role of LOCAL community networking is to develop the skills base within the local community, and = the new include: - expertise in orchestrating online activities - training skills in the new methods and techniques as well of course as the general population . So my suggestion would be that: - local agencies should be actively encouraged to appoint (not necessarily recruit!) people as etc, while - CO and EACN should set themselves up as the source for the skills so that these new appointments can get up to speed fast with appropriate competent support. A problem of course is that there doesn't appear to be any way to know who are the in this, since many people who have spent some time online tend to think they are now , but some sad experiences have shown that this aint always the case :-( So how about working towards some kind of , eg a list of people known by UK CO to have the relevant knowledge and experience? A revenue source perhaps - I believe every _organisation_ needs this specialist know how in house, not just every local community!! Both the could and should work mainly of course, but telework can be five minutes walk away as well as :-) All joy, Horace. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 17:21:06 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpzAA-0002fa-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:21:06 +0000 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.206.133] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpzA6-0002f2-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:21:03 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id MAA00867 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:20:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:19:16 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: [CONet] Community networking grants programme To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801071219_MC2-2E60-932C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk David: >Time to start preparing the case for a similar progamme in the UK?< Are we actively lobbying for Lottery funds to be earmarked for CO-type purposes? That would seem to be the obvious source? Also of course there are signs of CO-oriented elements in the European FP5 programme. Best to all, Horace. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 21:24:40 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xq2xX-0002jZ-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:24:19 +0000 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xq2xW-0002jU-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:24:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 24587 invoked from network); 7 Jan 1998 21:25:15 -0000 Received: from ao022.du.pipex.com (HELO davids) (193.130.254.22) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 1998 21:25:15 -0000 From: "David Squire" To: Subject: Re: [CONet] wild quotes Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:16:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk too bloody right! David Squire ---------- > From: David Fitzpatrick > To: conet@ukco.org.uk > Subject: Re: [CONet] wild quotes > Date: 07 January 1998 09:49 > > >87% of UK Co-netters spend too many late nights sending inane and > >irrelevent emails > > Why should life (or dare I say a list..) always be "nane" and relevent? > The odd daft comment helps me work thru the rather turgid 70% of all > e-mails I get each day... > > David > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Wed Jan 07 22:01:35 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xq3XY-0002kP-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:01:32 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xq3XV-0002kK-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:01:30 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.116] (dialup1-48.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.112]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19162 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:02:26 GMT X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:02:37 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: Re: [CONet] Community networking grants programme Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I think follow up on grants is one for Michael Mulquin, who is now operating full-time as executive director UKCO (OK Michael?), but I know he is involved in workshops for the next few days, so... not to lose the opportunity and offers... ... may I suggest anyone interested in forming a group around this topic mail David Fitzpatrick , cc me and Michael@communities.org.uk. Then - We can set up a separate list (cofunds@ukco.org.uk?) - Horace and other s can add their expertise, I hope - I can provide further US contacts - We can start to develop ideas for Government, Lotteries Board etc Regards David ---------------- David Fitzpatrick wrote: >Since this sort of initiative does demand long terms intensive funding, I >would be pleased to help form a case to make to the UK government. > >A sub-set of the list would be arranged so as not to bore some of our other >colleagues, David? Horace Mitchell added >Are we actively lobbying for Lottery funds to be earmarked for CO-type >purposes? That would seem to be the obvious source? > >Also of course there are signs of CO-oriented elements in the European >FP5 programme. -~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Wilcox, Development Director, UK Communities Online +44 (0) 1273 677377. http://www.communities.org.uk To join low volume list mailto:majordomo@ukco.org.uk no subject, just the message: subscribe co-announce ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 08 09:21:32 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqE9T-0002vY-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:21:23 +0000 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqE9R-0002vT-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:21:22 +0000 Received: from first-class (actually host ck344441u2l.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:17:22 +0000 From: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk (Peter Davis) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:14:34 -0000 Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes Message-ID: References: <3.0.1.32.19980107103338.006bd204@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> Organization: The Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk conet@ukco.org.uk,Internet writes: >From: Kevin Harris >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:33:38 +0000 >At 14:30 06/01/98 -0000, Doug wrote >> >>"more than 50% of information is conversation" >>- this is definitely from Kevin Harris most recently, Kevin did anyone >>say it before you? Any other offers? >> >and to correct impression I thought I'd reply to the list on this >occasion. If I ever said this I must have been quite sober at the >time, it's not the sort of remark I usually make. By what measurement, >one would have to ask? And to be honest Doug, if looking smart is one >of the objectives of using quotes in your paper - don't use this one! > However, you might check out The Net Result page30, margin quote from >Peter Davis - >'as a rule of thumb, 50% of community information conetnt, at least, is >dialogue.' >I think this is what you may be thinking of >best >k A little additional context, I said this at CIN 96 to emphasise a point that Community Information Networks at that time were mainly focused on information retrieval and few easily supported local public dialogue. In contrast MKCN was (attempting) to focus on community dialogue as information. In the work place and in our communities, most of the information we get about our communities each day is through conversation. If people are homebound or isolated, a network where dialogue takes place about the community allows a level of participation difficult to provide by other means. One example of the latter in Milton Keynes is largely home bound disabled people acting as on-line consultants to school students. Peter P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk Milton Keynes Community Network EMERG Open University Walton Hall MK7 6AA >Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by >first-class.open.ac.uk with SMTP id MSGRFMEO; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:25:00 >GMT >Received: from teletub (actually host teletub.teleregion.org.uk) by >venus with SMTP Internet (MMTA v2.2); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:32:50 +0000 >Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id >0xpsjV-0002Vj-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:09 +0000 >Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with >esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xpsjT-0002Ve-00; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:07 +0000 >Received: from default (dialup1-18.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.82]) by >florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA24899 for >; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:30:00 GMT >From: Kevin Harris >Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk >To: conet@ukco.org.uk >Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107103338.006bd204@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk> >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 08 11:40:17 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqGJg-0002xy-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:40:04 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqGJc-0002xq-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:40:02 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25134 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:40:58 GMT Message-Id: <199801081140.LAA25134@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:40:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [CONet] wild quotes References: In-reply-to: <884170719.203245.0@gbits.demon.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk > > Here, here! > > Graham. There, there! Trevor Event & Project Services - Conferencing and Project Development Helping the world to talk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 08 12:30:28 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqH6A-0002z0-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:30:10 +0000 Received: from [195.224.17.68] [195.224.17.68] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqH67-0002yv-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:30:08 +0000 X-Sender: d.fitzpatrick@geo2.poptel.org.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801071219_MC2-2E60-932C@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: [CONet] Community networking grants programme Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:30:08 +0000 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Horace > >>Time to start preparing the case for a similar progamme in the UK?< > >Are we actively lobbying for Lottery funds to be earmarked for CO-type >purposes? That would seem to be the obvious source? Yes - awaiting the results in a month or two > >Also of course there are signs of CO-oriented elements in the European >FP5 programme. This could be useful in the longer term - but what about the idea of lobbying the UK government? Cheers David F From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 08 14:36:41 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqJ3z-000318-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:36:03 +0000 Received: from gn3.gn.apc.org [194.202.158.47] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqJ3u-000313-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:35:59 +0000 Received: from gn.apc.org [193.130.253.212](an212.du.pipex.com [193.130.253.212]) by gn3.gn.apc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/GN-1.0) with SMTP id OAA10908 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:46:13 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:46:13 GMT Message-Id: <199801081446.OAA10908@gn3.gn.apc.org> X-Sender: cra@pop.gn.apc.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: cra@gn.apc.org (Community Media Association) Subject: [CONet] Communications policy Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In November 1997 the House of Commons' Culture, Media and Sport Committee announced the title and detailed terms of reference of its new enquiry into communication. The enquiry begins in early 1998 and those wishing to submit written evidence must do so by Friday 16 January. The CMA is currently preparing a response to be completed by the end of next week and we would welcome comments and input from recipients of the CONET list. We have opened a topic for comments in our on-line discussion forum at . You can respond directly there or reply to this list. In any case, unless specified otherwise, we will assume that relevant replies on this topic can be re-posted to our on-line discussion forum. The Committee has the following terms of reference: "Inquiry into audio-visual communications and the regulation of broadcasting "The Culture, Media and Sport Committee will conduct an enquiry into the future regulation of television and radio in the light of convergence between broadcasting, telecommunications and computer technologies. The main issues to be examined are: "1. What are the technologicial changes affecting audio-visual communications and broadcasting, including methods of reception? "2. What will be the impact of the introduction of digital television and radio and the development of linked interactive technologies including the Internet? "3. What implications do these changes have for the regulation of broadcasting and related technologies, including the roles of the ITC, the Radio Authority and OFTEL, and commercial terrestrial television franchises? "4. What implications do they have for the division of responsibility for communications within Government? "The inquiry will not examine in detail the operation of current individual broadcasting organisations, but the Committee will undertake another inquiry into the organisation and financing of the BBC before the end of the current five-year financial settlement in 2002." Although Committee reports are not available on-line and generally take three to four weeks to be published, the Committee Clerks Office have agreed to supply the CMA with transcripts and we will endeavour also to post updates on the proceedings to our WWW site. Steve Buckley ----------------------------------------- Community Media Association 15 Paternoster Row, Sheffield S1 2BX Tel: +44 114 279 5219 Fax: +44 114 279 8976 E-mail: cra@gn.apc.org Check out our on-line discussion forum at: WWW: http://www.pobox.com/~cra ----------------------------------------- From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 08 14:54:46 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqJM2-00031Y-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:54:42 +0000 Received: from gn3.gn.apc.org [194.202.158.47] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqJLz-00031T-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:54:40 +0000 Received: from gn.apc.org [193.130.253.212](an212.du.pipex.com [193.130.253.212]) by gn3.gn.apc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/GN-1.0) with SMTP id PAA11952 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:05:02 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:05:02 GMT Message-Id: <199801081505.PAA11952@gn3.gn.apc.org> X-Sender: cra@pop.gn.apc.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: cra@gn.apc.org (Community Media Association) Subject: [CONet] EU Green Paper on Convergence Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Here is another policy item from the CMA on-line discussion forum which subscribers to the CONET list may be interested in. I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has read the Green Paper and is interested in working on a response. Steve Buckley ////////////////// European Commission Green Paper on the Convergence of Telecommunications, Media and Information Technologies ------------------------------------------------------ On 3 December 1997, the European Commission adopted a Green Paper on the convergence of telecommunications, media and information technologies with the aim of launching a Europe wide debate on how the new generation of electronic media should be regulated. The CMA will be working with other national and international community media organisations to prepare a response to the European Commission on the impact of convergence on the community media sector. The consultation phase runs to 30 April 1998. In June the Commission will report on the public consultation with a view to the preparation of a European "Convergence Action Plan" by the end of 1998. The Green Paper draws attention to the emergence of new convergent services such as: - Internet services delivered to TV sets via systems like Web TV - e-mail and WWW access via digital TV decoders and mobile telephones - webcasting of radio and TV programming on the Internet The Green Paper raises the following questions: 1. Are the definitions in the telecommunications, media and IT sectors in national and/or European (EU) legislation adapted to the convergence process? 2. Will the convergence phenomenon require adaptation of existing approaches or new approaches to be applied to issues of market entry and licensing; access to networks, customers, content and pricing 3. What approach should be taken, in the light of convergence, to the issues of completing the transition from analogue to digital services, including the need for a a timetable for analogue switch off? 4. What should be the objectives of standardisation in the light of convergence and what should be the relationship between regional and international standardisation? 5. What additional action (if any) is required to ensure that the interests of consumers and of users are respecte? 6. What kinds of EU research and development projects should be launched in the context of convergence? 7. Does the existence of different regulatory authorities responsible for different aspects of telecommunications, media and IT activities offer a workable structure for regulatory supervision in the light of convergence? 8. Will convergence require a reassessment of regulatory responsibilities at a national, EU or international level, and, if so, in which areas? Comments can on this topic are welcomed and can be posted to the CMA on-line discussion forum at http://www.pobox.com/~cra Copies of the European Commission Green Paper are available on-line at http://www.ispo.cec.be/convergencegp> where submissions can also be posted directly to the European Commission Web site ----------------------------------------- Community Media Association 15 Paternoster Row, Sheffield S1 2BX Tel: +44 114 279 5219 Fax: +44 114 279 8976 E-mail: cra@gn.apc.org Check out our on-line discussion forum at: WWW: http://www.pobox.com/~cra ----------------------------------------- From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 08 15:28:34 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqJsR-00032N-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:28:11 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqJsQ-00032I-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:28:10 +0000 Received: from gateway2 (pool-m10.poptel.org.uk [195.224.19.10]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5/DA97021903) with ESMTP id PAA11884 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:29:09 GMT Message-Id: <199801081529.PAA11884@smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk> From: "Sue Ellis" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:26:25 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk hello I am very much interested in the research you are doing around healthy living centres. I am at present looking at ways faward for ICT in health, and the healthy living centre concept. We are involvd in Batley in the creation of the healthy living centre. Look faward to hearing from you Sue From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 08 17:10:26 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqLSl-00033v-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:09:47 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqLSi-00033q-00; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:09:45 +0000 Received: from barnsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.171.52]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1024874; 8 Jan 98 17:02 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980108170328.00961100@sdps.demon.co.uk> X-Sender: Barnsley@sdps.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:04:19 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk From: Grimethorpe EVH Subject: Re: [CONet] wild quotes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk I think an apt quote would be 85 percent of the first week in january seems to be wasted reading the five copies of everyones emails which come to us via these BLOODY servers. Thanks for the means of showing the uninitiated why they should be spending lots of money on email ect (not) At 12:40 08/01/98 +0000, Trevor Locke wrote: >> >> Here, here! >> >> Graham. > > > >There, there! > > >Trevor >Event & Project Services - >Conferencing and Project Development >Helping the world to talk > > From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Jan 09 10:06:59 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqbKK-0003JE-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:06:08 +0000 Received: from glosnet.gloscc.gov.uk [195.188.220.253] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqbKG-0003J9-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:06:05 +0000 Received: by glosnet.gloscc.gov.uk (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA35956; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:09:01 GMT Received: from mail_server_2.gloscc.gov.uk(195.188.220.1) by glosnet via smap (V3.1) id xmamg6Cqa; Fri, 9 Jan 98 10:08:48 GMT Received: from Connect2 Message Router by gloscc.gov.uk via Connect2-SMTP 4.20A; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:19:43 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:04:00 +0000 From: "LEECH, Helen" Organization: Gloucestershire County Council To: conet@ukco.org.uk (Conet) Subject: [CONet] Networking community information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="mime-boundary-iaanaacabi-000D5A7D" X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk This is the preamble of a multipart MIME formatted message. If you are reading this text your mail system is most likely not capable of properly decoding MIME messages. To extract the contents of this message, save it to a file and then use an external MIME decoding utility. --mime-boundary-iaanaacabi-000D5A7D Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Apologies for cross-posting. Gloucestershire Libraries, Croydon Libraries, UKOLN and EARL have joined together to run a project called CIRCE, which is looking at strategies for networking community information. CIRCE is funded by the British Library Research and Innovation Centre. As project officer for CIRCE, I'm looking at what library authorities are doing with their community information, and I'd like to build up contacts with anybody involved in this area. I'm interested in people's experiences in other sectors, too. Contact me: Helen Leech CIRCE Project Officer Gloucestershire Library HQ Quayside House Gloucester GL1 2HY Tel: 01452 425361 Fax: 01452 425042 Email: hleech@gloscc.gov.uk Thanks! 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That would seem to be the obvious source? Yes, this could be so...Where do we start this debate at national level? -- Geoff Walker, Secretary, Newcastle Newnet Telephone: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Telephone/Fax: +44 191 584 9416 Q: What do you think about asynchronous communication? A: Ask me yesterday! From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Jan 09 10:49:39 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqc0R-0003KS-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:39 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqc0P-0003KM-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:38 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1026200; 9 Jan 98 10:42 GMT Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:27 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] Networking community information In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message , "LEECH, Helen"=20 writes > I'm interested in people's experiences in other sectors, too. =20 > Contact me: Hi Helen! I am *very* interested in this area and have some experience in dealing=20 with this issue. Can you email me outside the list to fix up a person to person=20 discussion on this please? FYI: I attach my standard bio file... Geoff Walker: Biographical Details Geoff Walker has more than 20 years experience of working with=20 community-based organisations in the North East of England: 10 years in=20 the Voluntary Sector and a further 10 years within a Local Authority. He is currently employed as Principal Policy Officer in the Community=20 Policies Division of Newcastle City Council where he specialises in the=20 application of Information Communication Technologies (ICT) within small=20 to medium-sized community-based organisations. He is particularly=20 interested in cross-cultural ICT partnerships with other European=20 countries. A major part of his work, at present, is involved in the=20 development of an ICT strategy for two deprived areas of Newcastle upon=20 Tyne which are in receipt of Single Regeneration Budget (SRB) funding.=20 Since July 1996, Geoff has been Acting Secretary of NewNet, the=20 Community Network for Newcastle upon Tyne. As a result of his=20 involvement in NewNet he has recently become a member of the steering=20 group of UK Communities On-line (UKCO) and is co-ordinating their work=20 on Community Network (CN) training. As a discussion moderator with UK Citizens=92 On-line Democracy (UKCOD)=20 Geoff takes an active interest in the development of electronic=20 democracy within the UK.=20 Geoff has an academic background in systems analysis, software=20 engineering and social anthropology. --=20 Geoff Walker, Secretary, Newcastle Newnet Telephone: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Telephone/Fax: +44 191 584 9416 Q: What do you think about asynchronous communication? A: Ask me yesterday! From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Jan 09 15:50:38 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqggj-0003QO-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:49:37 +0000 Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqggh-0003QH-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:49:36 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id KAA08180 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:46 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801091049_MC2-2EB8-92BF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk This is getting uncomfortably like a newsgroup, is it intentional? >"more than 50% of information is conversation"< and = "more than 74.8% of conversation is uninformative, while at least 42.75% is actively misleading" and "the term has been more misused and misleading than any other term in the period 1996-1997" and "the granularity of Internet information is only exceeded in its opacity by the obfuscation generated by Internet hostcount statistics" however: "a website without a discussion facility reduces communication rather than enhancing it" (all attributable to Horace Mitchell 1998) but so what? H. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Fri Jan 09 15:51:58 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqgiy-0003Qf-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:51:56 +0000 Received: from hil-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.177.139] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqgiw-0003QT-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:51:55 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id KAA24397 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:51:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:50:45 -0500 From: Horace Mitchell Subject: Re: [CONet] Community networking grants programme To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" Message-ID: <199801091051_MC2-2EB8-92E8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk David: >but what about the idea of lobbying the UK government?< I had taken this as a given :-), yes count me in on any effort or inputs needed. Horace. From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Sun Jan 11 15:07:37 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xrOy6-0004aB-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:06:30 +0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net [194.164.91.2] (root) by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xrOy3-0004a6-00; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:06:27 +0000 Received: from telework.foobar.co.uk (telework.foobar.co.uk [194.164.93.150]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19721; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:07:29 GMT Message-Id: <199801111507.PAA19721@quark.foobar.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Trevor Locke" To: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:07:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [CONet] Re: CC: public-health-request@mailbase.ac.uk In-reply-to: <199801081529.PAA11884@smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk "Sue Ellis" wrote > I am very much interested in the research you are doing around healthy > living centres. I am at present looking at ways faward for ICT in health, > and the healthy living centre concept. We are involvd in Batley in the > creation of the healthy living centre. I have two areas of interest in the health service field: (a) an involvement in multi-agency practice, stemming from many years involvement in this in my previous career and more recently this being the focus of a research project orientated around anti-poverty measures. (b) We are trying to establish a virtual (web based) healthy living centre on our web site www.blaby.co.uk This has only just started and one of the main pages is not even yet linked into the main pages because it is still under constructiob but you can get a sneak previous using this url http://www.blaby.co.uk/health01.htm I would be keen to share ideas with other who want to set up healthy living centres in their locality web and internet projects. Trevor Locke Blaby Internet Services http://www.blaby.co.uk From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Tue Jan 13 15:47:41 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xs8Xd-0005JT-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:46:13 +0000 Received: from venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xs8Xb-0005JO-00; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:46:12 +0000 Received: from first-class (actually host ck344441u2l.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:27:11 +0000 From: P.G.Davis@open.ac.uk (Peter Davis) To: conet@ukco.org.uk Cc: conet@ukco.org.uk Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0000 Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes Message-ID: References: <199801091049_MC2-2EB8-92BF@compuserve.com> Organization: The Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 2.0 beta 3 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk conet@ukco.org.uk,Internet writes: >From: Horace Mitchell >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:46 -0500 >This is getting uncomfortably like a newsgroup, is it intentional? >>"more than 50% of information is conversation"< >and >"more than 74.8% of conversation is uninformative, while at >least 42.75% is actively misleading" ho ho figures I have demonstrate that 100% of conversation is informative though of course reception is never gauranteed. >and >"the term has been more misused and misleading >than any other term in the period 1996-1997" I agree....a bit like the word conversation >and >"the granularity of Internet information is only exceeded in its >opacity by the obfuscation generated by Internet hostcount >statistics" absolutely, unless you don't happen to take sugar. >however: >"a website without a discussion facility reduces communication >rather than enhancing it" A communication site without web access can still contain superlatives. >(all attributable to Horace Mitchell 1998) I went to a history lecture once where quotes were never attributed. All quite in order and whose kingdom for a horse could have been anyones guess. I'm all for 'so what' but lets get real then about what that includes. >but so what? Peter >Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by >first-class.open.ac.uk with SMTP id MSGIETZJ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:50:08 >GMT >Received: from teletub (actually host teletub.teleregion.org.uk) by >venus with SMTP Internet (MMTA v2.2); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:59:12 +0000 >Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id >0xqggj-0003QO-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:49:37 +0000 >Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135] by teletub >with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xqggh-0003QH-00; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:49:36 >+0000 >Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com >(8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id KAA08180 for conet@ukco.org.uk; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 >10:49:51 -0500 (EST) >From: Horace Mitchell >Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk >To: "INTERNET:conet@ukco.org.uk" >Subject: Re: [CONet] Wild quotes >Message-ID: <199801091049_MC2-2EB8-92BF@compuserve.com> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 15 11:46:44 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xsnjy-0005wq-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:45:42 +0000 Received: from post.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by teletub with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xsnjw-0005wl-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:45:41 +0000 Received: from geoffw.demon.co.uk ([194.222.15.51]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2022584; 15 Jan 98 11:45 GMT Message-ID: <3gym$HA7Zfv0EwFy@geoffw.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:43:55 +0000 To: conet@ukco.org.uk From: Geoff Walker Subject: Re: [CONet] ICT Development and Community Based Organisations In-Reply-To: <199801071044.KAA15290@quark.foobar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk In message <199801071044.KAA15290@quark.foobar.net>, Trevor Locke writes >With regard to the previous posting > >> >We are currently exploring the potential for the full-time employment of >> >a worker to develop interactive communication platforms between >> >communities themselves and communities and the Local Authority. >> > >> >Does anyone know of any other Local Authority exploring such an option? Yes we are Trevor both as part of our Community Teleresource Centre Network for North West Newcastle and the development of the LA Intranet. -- Geoff Walker Research & Development Community & Leisure Services Newcastle City Council Civic Centre Newcastle upon Tyne UK NE1 8PN Tel: +44 191 211 6222 Fax: +44 191 211 6276 Email: geoffw@geoffw.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.geoffw.demon.co.uk/geoff.htm From owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Thu Jan 15 20:03:24 1998 Received: from majordom by teletub with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xsvV7-00065A-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:02:53 +0000 Received: from florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25] by teletub with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xsvV2-000655-00; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Received: from [194.242.131.116] (dialup1-02.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.66]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10081; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:04:04 GMT (envelope-from david@communities.org.uk) X-Sender: dwilcox@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:03:55 -0700 To: iacn@sheffield.ac.uk, conet@ukco.org.uk From: David Wilcox Subject: [CONet] aaaah - technostress! Sender: owner-conet@ukco.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: conet@ukco.org.uk Familiar :<) ??? Remedies...??? David -------------- Title: Technostress on the Net Source: Washington Post (B5) Author: Michelle V. Rafter Issue: Lifestyles Description: Technostress is defined by researchers as the negative effect technology has on people's thoughts, attitudes, behaviors and bodies. Many Internet users say that technostress affects their lives. Michelle M. Weil and Larry D. Rosen, authors of a new book on the topic, believe that Internet users are particularly susceptible because of the stress created by high expectations of technology and the constant waiting endured for online connections, email and Web pages. Other signs of technostress include: los